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Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen () sprunk org>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:14:57 -0600
Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <dgolding () burtongroup com>
On 3/6/06 10:25 AM, "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen () sprunk org> wrote:So, unless there's policy change, most end-user orgs will have no choice but to pay the market rate for IPv4 addresses. Spot markets are good when demand is elastic, but we're faced with a market that has growing inelastic demand that will outstrip fixed supply in a decade. Capitalism doesn't handle that well.There will be a average cost per host to transition from v4 to v6. When thecost of IPv4 addresses exceeds the transition cost, then you have the one thing missing from IPv6 discussions: an ROI.
Please quantify the cost of not being able to multihome your mission-critical business. Compare to the cost of obtaining an IPv4 PI block. Both are likely to exceed the possible revenue for small businesses at some point not too far off.
IPv6 is not a replacement for IPv4 today; it's less attractive for a number of reasons, and running out of IPv4 addresses will only solve one (maybe two) of the problems.
Many organizations wont even look at this without an ROI. Folks who want to see v6 adopted would be well advised to support the creation of a hard ROI through these means.
That'd be interesting to see, but there's just too many variables we don't (and can't) have numbers for yet. Maybe it'd be a useful exercise to at least identify what needs to be quantified...
ARIN (and/or RIPE, APNIC) should really use a bit of their budget surplus to provide a few grants to economics professors who are experts in commodity market issues. As engineers, we grope in the dark concerning fairly well established scientific principles we are unfamiliar with. Its like reinventing the wheel. :(
That would require the RIRs to admit that IP addresses are marketable commodities, which is something that, to date, they have refused to do.
S Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart CCIE #3723 people. Smart people surround themselves withK5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Aaron Sorkin
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- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Mark Newton (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Iljitsch van Beijnum (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Daniel Golding (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Michael . Dillon (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Mikael Abrahamsson (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Pekka Savola (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Marshall Eubanks (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Daniel Golding (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Daniel Golding (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Steven M. Bellovin (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Owen DeLong (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Alexei Roudnev (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Iljitsch van Beijnum (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Geoff Huston (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Kevin Day (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Michael . Dillon (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Iljitsch van Beijnum (Mar 02)