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Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery)
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:59:54 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Fred Baker wrote:
On Aug 15, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:Or should IP backbones have methods to predictably control which IP applications receive the remaining IP bandwidth? Similar to the telephone network special information tone -- All Circuits are Busy. Maybe we've found a new use for ICMP Source Quench.Source Quench wouldn't be my favored solution here. What I might suggest is taking TCP SYN and SCTP INIT (or new sessions if they are encrypted or UDP) and put them into a lower priority/rate queue. Delaying the start of new work would have a pretty strong effect on the congestive collapse of the existing work, I should think.
I was joking about Source Quench (missing :-), its got a lot of problems.But I think the fundamental issue is who is responsible for controlling the back-off process? The edge or the middle?
Using different queues implies the middle (i.e. routers). At best it might be the "near-edge," and creating some type of shared knowledge
between past, current and new sessions in the host stacks (and maybe middle-boxes like NAT gateways). How fast do you need to signal large-scale back-off over what time period?Since major events in the real-world also result in a lot of "new" traffic, how do you signal new sessions before they reach the affected
region of the network? Can you use BGP to signal the far-reaches of the Internet that I'm having problems, and other ASNs should start slowingthings down before they reach my region (security can-o-worms being opened).
Current thread:
- Re: inter-domain link recovery, (continued)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Patrick W. Gilmore (Aug 14)
- Re: Re: inter-domain link recovery Chengchen Hu (Aug 15)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Roland Dobbins (Aug 15)
- RE: Re: inter-domain link recovery michael.dillon (Aug 15)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 15)
- Re: Re: inter-domain link recovery Chengchen Hu (Aug 15)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Patrick W. Gilmore (Aug 14)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Randy Bush (Aug 15)
- Re: inter-domain link recovery Stephen Wilcox (Aug 15)
- RE: inter-domain link recovery michael.dillon (Aug 15)
- Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Sean Donelan (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Fred Baker (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Sean Donelan (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Fred Baker (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Sean Donelan (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Fred Baker (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Adrian Chadd (Aug 15)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Fred Baker (Aug 16)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Sean Donelan (Aug 16)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Randy Bush (Aug 16)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Alexander Harrowell (Aug 16)
- Re: Extreme congestion (was Re: inter-domain link recovery) Stephen Wilcox (Aug 16)