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Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion)
From: David Lesher <wb8foz () nrk com>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote:Or there might suddenly be a reason/market for properly physically diverse paths which provide partial 1:1 (ie, some services are guaranteed full backup bandwidth, other services get degraded access) IP paths..I don't think the target customer in this case is really in the market for properly physically diverse paths which provide partial 1:1. The target customer seems to be looking for no-frills, cheap Internet. Customers in a market for properly physically diverse paths with partial 1:1 probably are already buying Internet from other ISPs.
And still not getting it. A friend oversees various expensive USG networks. They pay for physically diverse routing from multiple sources. Yet every year, when they do an laborious audit down to the "what fiber, in what bundle, in what trench" level; they find.. Guess What! Yep, someone has moved this circuit or that one to where both pipes are intimate neighbors. It's inevitable given buying throughput is rather like moving something by ship. You never go to the ship [fiber] owner; you go to a freight broker who deals with a consolidator who calls an agent who knows who has chartered ships from A to B on DATE and.... [Look up the "GTS Katie" incident for a side effect of this.] -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz () nrk com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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- Re: Cogent latency / congestion, (continued)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Justin M. Streiner (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Jeff Shultz (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Dan Armstrong (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Robert Bonomi (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Zak Thompson (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Hex Star (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Paul Ferguson (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Deepak Jain (Aug 20)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Adrian Chadd (Aug 20)
- Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Sean Donelan (Aug 21)
- Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) David Lesher (Aug 21)
- Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Marshall Eubanks (Aug 21)
- Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Deepak Jain (Aug 21)
- Does anyone multihome anymore? (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Security Admin (NetSec) (Aug 22)
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- Re: Does anyone multihome anymore? (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Mike Tancsa (Aug 22)
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- Re: Does anyone multihome anymore? Mike Tancsa (Aug 22)
- Re: Does anyone multihome anymore? Dan Armstrong (Aug 22)
- Re: Does anyone multihome anymore? Steve Gibbard (Aug 22)
- Re: Does anyone multihome anymore? Mike Tancsa (Aug 22)
- Re: Cogent latency / congestion Deepak Jain (Aug 20)
- Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Andy Davidson (Aug 25)
- Re: Market for diversity (was: Re: Cogent latency / congestion) Justin M. Streiner (Aug 25)