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Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers
From: Randy Bush <randy () psg com>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:19:27 +0900
vendors, like everyone else, will do what is in their best interests. as i am an operator, not a vendor, that is often not what is in my best interest, marketing literature aside. i believe it benefits the ops community to be honest when the two do not seem to coincide.If the ops community doesn't provide enough addresses and a way to use them then the vendors will do the same thing they did in v4.
i presume you mean nat v6/v6. this would be a real mess and i don't think anyone is contending it is desirable. but this discussion is ostensibly operators trying to understand what is actually appropriate and useful for a class of customers, i believe those of the consumer, soho, and similar scale. to summarize the positions i think i have heard o one /64 subnet per device, but the proponent gave no estimate of the number of devices o /48 o /56 o /64 the latter three all assuming that the allocation would be different if the site had actual need and justification. personally, i do not see an end site needing more than 256 subnets *by default*, though i can certainly believe a small minority of them need more and would use the escape clause. so, if we, for the moment, stick to the one /64 per subnet religion, than a /56 seems sufficient for the default allocation. personally, i have a hard time thinking that any but a teensie minority, who can use the escape clause, need more than 256. hence, i just don't buy the /48 position. personally, i agree that one subnet is likely to be insufficient in a large proportion of cases. so keeping to the /64 per subnet religion, a /64 per site is insufficient for the default. still personally, i think the one /64 subnet per device is analogous to one receptacle per mains breaker, i.e. not sensible.
there are three legs to the tripod network operator user equipment manufacturer They have (or should have) a mutual interest in: Transparent and automatic configuration of devices.
as you have seen from chris's excellent post [0] on this one, one size does not fit all. this is likely another worthwhile, but separate, discussion.
The assignment of globally routable addresses to internet connected devices
i suspect that there are folk out there who equate nat with security. i suspect we both think them misguided.
The user having some control over what crosses the boundry between their network and the operators.
yup randy --- [0] - <http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg04887.html>
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- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joe Maimon (Dec 26)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 22)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joe Greco (Dec 23)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joel Jaeggli (Dec 23)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joe Greco (Dec 24)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joel Jaeggli (Dec 24)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Randy Bush (Dec 25)
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- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Randy Bush (Dec 25)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joe Greco (Dec 26)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Randy Bush (Dec 26)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Joel Jaeggli (Dec 28)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Randy Bush (Dec 28)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Mark Townsley (Dec 22)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Christopher Morrow (Dec 22)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Mark Smith (Dec 21)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Steven M. Bellovin (Dec 21)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Deepak Jain (Dec 21)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Ross Vandegrift (Dec 22)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Christopher Morrow (Dec 22)
- Re: v6 subnet size for DSL & leased line customers Mark Smith (Dec 22)