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RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
From: "Crist Clark" <Crist.Clark () globalstar com>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:08 -0700
On 10/22/2007 at 3:02 PM, "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk () iname com> wrote:
I wonder how quickly applications and network gear would implement
QoS
support if the major ISPs offered their subscribers two queues: a
default
queue, which handled regular internet traffic but squashed P2P, and
then a
separate queue that allowed P2P to flow uninhibited for an extra
$5/month,
but then ISPs could purchase cheaper bandwidth for that. But perhaps at the end of the day Andrew O. is right and it's best
off to
have a single queue and throw more bandwidth at the problem.
How does one "squash P2P?" How fast will BitTorrent start hiding it's trivial to spot ".BitTorrent protocol" banner in the handshakes? How many P2P protocols are already blocking/shaping evasive? It seems to me is what hurts the ISPs is the accompanying upload streams, not the download (or at least the ISP feels the same download pain no matter what technology their end user uses to get the data[0]). Throwing more bandwidth does not scale to the number of users we are talking about. Why not suck up and go with the economic solution? Seems like the easy thing is for the ISPs to come clean and admit their "unlimited" service is not and put in upload caps and charge for overages. [0] Or is this maybe P2P's fault only in the sense that it makes so much more content available that there is more for end-users to download now than ever before. BĀ¼information contained in this e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact postmaster () globalstar com
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