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Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:31:00 -0700
Frank Bulk wrote:
Here's timely article: "KDDI says 900k target for fibre users 'difficult'" http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=20215&email=html
KDDI isn't the only ftfth provider... NTT east/west (flets), usen, softbank/yahooBB and others all play in that space. 100/100 from softbank appears to be ~7200 yen while 50/12 dsl is about 4500 yen if you have a phone line as well... ;) Obviously if you live out in the boonies like Jared, even in japan your options are pretty slow. The Onsen I visited in fuji-hakone 2 years ago had only 3Mb/s for example.
Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of David Andersen Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:21 PM To: Leo Bicknell Cc: nanog () merit edu Subject: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) On Oct 22, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:Having now seen the cable issue described in technical detail over and over, I have a question. At the most recent Nanog several people talked about 100Mbps symmetric access in Japan for $40 US. This leads me to two questions: 1) Is that accurate? 2) What technology to the use to offer the service at that price point? 3) Is there any chance US providers could offer similar technologies at similar prices, or are there significant differences (regulation, distance etc) that prevent it from being viable?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/ AR2007082801990.html The Washington Post article claims that: "Japan has surged ahead of the United States on the wings of better wire and more aggressive government regulation, industry analysts say. The copper wire used to hook up Japanese homes is newer and runs in shorter loops to telephone exchanges than in the United States. ..." a) Dense, urban area (less distance to cover) b) Fresh new wire installed after WWII c) Regulatory environment that forced telecos to provide capacity to Internet providers Followed by a recent explosion in fiber-to-the-home buildout by NTT. "About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines -- roughly nine times the number in the United States." -- particularly impressive when you count that in per-capita terms. Nice article. Makes you wish... -Dave
Current thread:
- neighborhood densities (was: Internet Access in Japan, was: something else), (continued)
- neighborhood densities (was: Internet Access in Japan, was: something else) David Barak (Oct 23)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Henry Yen (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Larry Smith (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Dave Pooser (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Steve Gibbard (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 25)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Frank Bulk (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Joel Jaeggli (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 22)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Steven M. Bellovin (Oct 22)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Joe Provo (Oct 23)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leo Bicknell (Oct 23)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 23)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Brian Raaen (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Joe Greco (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Dorn Hetzel (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Carpenter, Jason (Oct 24)