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RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
From: "Frank Bulk - iNAME" <frnkblk () iname com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:35:26 -0500
Are you thinking of scavenger on the upload or download? Because it's just upload, it's only the subscriber's provider that needs to concern themselves with their maintaining the tags -- they will do the necessary traffic engineering to ensure it's not 'damaging' the upstream of their other subscribers. If it's download, that's a whole other ball of wax, and not what drove Comcast to do what they're doing, and not the apparent concern of at least North American ISPs today. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of michael.dillon () bt com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:34 PM To: nanog () merit edu Subject: RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they consume each month or the bytes generated by different applications. The schemes being advocated in this discussion require that the end users be Layer 3 engineers.
Actually, it sounds a lot like the Electric7 tariffs found in the UK for electricity. These are typically used by low income people who have less education than the average population. And yet they can understand the concept of saving money by using more electricity at night. I really think that a two-tiered QOS system such as the scavenger suggestion is workable if the applications can do the marking. Has anyone done any testing to see if DSCP bits are able to travel unscathed through the public Internet? --Michael Dillon P.S. it would be nice to see QoS be recognized as a mechanism for providing a degraded quality of service instead of all the "first class" marketing puffery.
Current thread:
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets, (continued)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Barry Shein (Oct 26)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Sean Donelan (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Sean Donelan (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Bruce Curtis (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Adrian Chadd (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Dorn Hetzel (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets michael.dillon (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk - iNAME (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Rod Beck (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Geo. (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Mikael Abrahamsson (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Geo. (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Carpenter, Jason (Oct 25)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leigh Porter (Oct 25)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leigh Porter (Oct 25)