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RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk () iname com>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:24:44 -0500
There's a large "installed" based of asymmetric speed internet access links. Considering that even BPON and GPON solutions are designed for asymmetric use, too, it's going to take a fiber-based Active Ethernet solution to transform access links to change the residential experience to something symmetrical. (I'm making the underlying presumption that copper-based symmetric technologies will not become part of residential broadband market any time in the near future, if ever.) Until the time that we are all FTTH, ISPs will continue to manage their customer's upstream links. Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:31 PM To: Mohacsi Janos Cc: nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? On Sat, 27 Oct 2007, Mohacsi Janos wrote:
Agreed. Measures, like NAT, spoofing based accelerators, quarantining computers are developed for fairly small networks. No for 1Gbps and above
and
20+ sites/customers.
"small" is a relative term. Hong Kong is already selling 1Gbps access links to residential customers, and once upon a time 56Kbps was a big backbone network. Last month folks were complaining about ISPs letting everything through the networks, this month people are complaining that ISPs aren't letting everything through the networks. Does this mean next month we will be back the other direction again. Why artificially keep access link speeds low just to prevent upstream network congestion? Why can't you have big access links?
Current thread:
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?, (continued)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 28)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Mikael Abrahamsson (Oct 28)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 28)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? michael.dillon (Oct 29)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Stefan Bethke (Oct 29)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Fred Reimer (Oct 29)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 29)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Fred Reimer (Oct 29)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Joel Jaeggli (Oct 29)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? michael.dillon (Oct 29)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Frank Bulk (Oct 29)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 28)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? John Kristoff (Oct 29)
- What can you use DSCP for? Sean Donelan (Oct 30)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Joe Greco (Oct 26)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 26)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Frank Bulk (Oct 22)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Frank Bulk (Oct 22)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Rich Groves (Oct 22)