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Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...]
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:24:29 -0600 (CST)
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Rich Kulawiec wrote:On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 05:51:13PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:but you need to be much more specific about what you want from medium and smaller isps, and what the immediate payoffs (cf. the financial secions of the newpaper) will be to them to justify the costs.Inferior people look solely for financial payoff. Superior people recognize their fundamental obligation to prevent their operation from being a menace to others, and do it based on ethics.They don't need t be moral, they need to understand 4 years down the line it will cost them significantly to the point of losing a lot of business. A good example is registrars. They lose quite a bit now.do they lose 'quite a bit' now? how much is 'quite a bit'? and is that more or less than they take home at the end of the day? I'm curious because near as I can tell there doesn't seem to be really any change in how registrars handle transactions... even domains knowingly bought with stolen credit cards seem to hang around (and change) long after the CC company frauded out the transaction(s)... If there really was a large loss, wouldn't they make changes to process/procedures/activities to limit their exposure?
The ones that don't take the "legal risk" now handle fraud quite differently. They are required to handle such purchases with the credit companies, and that costs them (the ones which do as they are required depending on law) on a scale which is .. very disturbing.
-chris
Current thread:
- Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Paul Ferguson (Dec 13)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Paul Ferguson (Dec 13)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Randy Bush (Dec 13)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Rich Kulawiec (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Murtaza (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Randy Bush (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] JF Mezei (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Gadi Evron (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Christopher Morrow (Dec 14)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Gadi Evron (Dec 15)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Randy Bush (Dec 13)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Paul Ferguson (Dec 13)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Luke S Crawford (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Randy Bush (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Joel Esler (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Nathan Ward (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Luke S Crawford (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Seth Mattinen (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Brandon Galbraith (Dec 19)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Luke S Crawford (Dec 20)
- Re: Security Intelligence [Was: Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...] Sean Donelan (Dec 21)