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Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:35 +0100
On 20 feb 2008, at 8:13, Raymond Macharia wrote:
1. Where is the current demand for IPv4 coming from? Plenty of analysishere.
Hm, let's see:mysql> select rir, country, descr, num, day from addrspace where day >= 20060101 and type = 'ipv4' order by num desc limit 5;
+---------+---------+-------------+---------+------------+ | rir | country | descr | num | day | +---------+---------+-------------+---------+------------+ | ripencc | FR | 90.0.0.0 | 8388608 | 2006-03-02 | | apnic | CN | 116.128.0.0 | 4194304 | 2007-05-11 | | apnic | CN | 117.128.0.0 | 4194304 | 2007-07-17 | | apnic | IN | 117.192.0.0 | 4194304 | 2007-08-01 | | arin | US | 75.0.0.0 | 4194304 | 2006-02-28 | +---------+---------+-------------+---------+------------+ inetnum: 90.0.0.0 - 90.0.0.255 role: Wanadoo France Technical Role address: FRANCE TELECOM/SCR inetnum: 116.128.0.0 - 116.191.255.255 descr: New Guoxin Telecom Corporation inetnum: 117.128.0.0 - 117.191.255.255 descr: China Mobile Communications Corporation inetnum: 117.192.0.0 - 117.255.255.255 descr: NIB (National Internet Backbone) AT&T Internet Services SBCIS-SBIS-6BLK (NET-75-0-0-0-1) 75.0.0.0 - 75.63.255.255 Answer: ISPs/telcos.
2. Can the new demand be steered towards IPv6 therefore slow down IPv4depletion. For example in the developing world a lot of the demand is brand new and therefore can it be satisfied with IPv6? Of course incentives are in order though it's much easier than asking the behemoths to give up "their"/16s etc.
Well, you could give IPv6 instead of IPv4 but only if they can talk to the rest of the world over IPv6. So everyone who has IPv4 today would have to add IPv6, but if they were prepared to do that, running out of IPv4 space wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Also, who cares about /16s? We currently have 16848 /16s left and we're using up approximately 8 - 9 of them each day. Postponing the inevitable by 3 hours really isn't all that useful...
Can we please finish off the remaining IPv4 address space already so we can get on with our lives?
Current thread:
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit, (continued)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Owen DeLong (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 19)
- RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Buhrmaster, Gary (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit John Curran (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit David Conrad (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit John Curran (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit David Conrad (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit John Curran (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Eric Brunner-Williams (Feb 19)
- RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Raymond Macharia (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 20)
- RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit michael.dillon (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Leo Vegoda (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Geoff Huston (Feb 19)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Owen DeLong (Feb 19)
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- RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit John Lee (Feb 18)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Adrian Chadd (Feb 18)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Stephen Sprunk (Feb 21)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Tom Vest (Feb 21)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Roland Perry (Feb 22)
- Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Randy Bush (Feb 22)