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Re: Lessons from the AU model
From: Paul Vixie <vixie () isc org>
Date: 22 Jan 2008 18:51:08 +0000
gih () apnic net (Geoff Huston) writes:
Which is a roundabout way of saying that I'm very sceptical of Tom's exponential optimism in this particular area of infrastructure investment :-)
the internet often hasn't made good economic sense. consider the chewage and swallowage of resources by modems, which eventually reached the limit where every iota of voicegrade on a circuit was in use, causing telco's to lose profit because they had an overcommit model and whereas they could compress 98% of a voice call they could not compress any of a modem call. flat rate connectivity (insensitive to distance or kilosegments or etc) is only practical under massive overprovisioning. we need moore's law to keep on going forever, and we need similar speeds of advance in optics and in power utilization. companies who can't massively overprovision will just continue to be shouldered aside by companies who can. new capital will keep on entering the market, and win or lose based on some disruptive approach, and then the winners will get shouldered aside a generation or two later. it's 2008, and no part of this should sound like news or insight to anybody. what i like about non-flat models like the one described as working for NZ and AU is that it will keep truly worthless flows off the network. finally there's a reason not to mindlessly share everything with everybody everywhere. (which is the only part of the equation that free market capitalism can't otherwise solve.) -- Paul Vixie
Current thread:
- Re: Lessons from the AU model, (continued)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Randy Bush (Jan 20)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Matthew Moyle-Croft (Jan 20)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Geoff Huston (Jan 20)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 20)
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- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Geoff Huston (Jan 21)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Paul Vixie (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Simon Lyall (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Alastair Johnson (Jan 22)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Ben Butler (Jan 22)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Ben Butler (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 22)