Re: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

[Russell Mitchell <russm2k8 () yahoo com>]

Hello Michael,

THANK YOU for the Intervention.

If anyone would like to continue the chats, drop me an email, and we can continue talks OFF NANOG.

Thank you all very much for your time and careful consideration into the issues we're having. Have a great day.
 ---
Russell Mitchell

InterCage, Inc.



----- Original Message ----
From: "michael.dillon () bt com" <michael.dillon () bt com>
To: nanog () nanog org
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:23:01 AM
Subject: RE: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

> It is clear to me -- at least -- that this entire criminal 
> operation is being operated out of Eastern Europe, and their 
> foothold in the U.S. is the major issue here.

If you believe that this is a criminal operation then you
should keep this discussion OFF THE LIST and discourage
anyone from taking any action against the bad guys that
might disrupt evidence gathering. If this is a criminal
matter, then it is best to keep quiet, collect good evidence,
and go to court. Better to get a court injunction ordering
them to stop sending malware, and then collect evidence
showing that they violated the injunction. To do this,
they need to have functioning upstream connections to your
network.

NANOG is not the place to discuss these things.

None of this is network operational. The whole discussion
amounts to a shouting match between vigilantes and their
victims. Some of those victims might also be bad guys, but
a shouting match on NANOG does not prove this one way or
the other.

--Michael Dillon