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obvious intent (Re: the Intercage mess)
From: Paul Vixie <vixie () isc org>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:47:32 +0000
nenolod () systeminplace net (William Pitcock) writes:
... forcing them offline now that they are taking a new approach to handling abuse is ridiculous. ...
renaming, renumbering, and rehoming the darkest parts of their empire is not a new approach to handling abuse, it's the most common thing that gray networks do when faced with disconnection, because it's the thing that looks most like protective colouration for them and it's the thing that looks most like plausible deniability for their (new?) providers. so, now begins the search for the line that mustn't be crossed. if they have N spamming customer or M "captured" machines running C&C and they disconnect such customers after P warnings or Q days, then will the community still rise up in arms and if so will that still be enough negativity to cause their (new?) provider to lose connectivity? if not, then what about P-1 or Q+1 or M*2 or N/2? discovering the process by which N, M, P, and Q are discovered, will be even uglier than everything we've seen on this topic to date. i advise those interested in the truth about a network's long term reputation to get their information from friends and professionals in the security business, or even google, but not nanog. or just refuse to suspend disbelief, and ask why someone's apparently new approach to handling abuse, the "turning over a new leaf", happened so many years into the game. what was their obvious intent, if not monetizing the uncertainty and inertia of the networks whose connectivity they depend on? -- Paul Vixie
Current thread:
- Re: the Intercage mess, (continued)
- Re: the Intercage mess Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess William Pitcock (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: the Intercage mess Rich Kulawiec (Sep 25)
- Re: the Intercage mess Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Sep 25)
- RE: the Intercage mess Frank Bulk (Sep 27)
- Re: the Intercage mess Stephen Sprunk (Sep 24)
- obvious intent (Re: the Intercage mess) Paul Vixie (Sep 24)
- Re: obvious intent (Re: the Intercage mess) Paul Bennett (Sep 25)
- RE: the Intercage mess James Ashton (Sep 25)
- Re: the Intercage mess Eric Brunner-Williams (Sep 24)
- a vernier of civilization... Jo Rhett (Sep 24)
- Re: a vernier of civilization... Marshall Eubanks (Sep 25)
- RE: a vernier of civilization... Tomas L. Byrnes (Sep 25)
- Re: a vernier of civilization... Randy Bush (Sep 25)
- Re: a vernier of civilization... Marshall Eubanks (Sep 25)
- Re: a vernier of civilization... Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Sep 25)
- Re: a vernier of civilization... Aaron Glenn (Sep 25)