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Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24
From: "Nathan Malynn" <neito () nerdramblingz com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:54:05 -0500
Here's a question that's been bugging me the whole thread, and it's a bit of a newbie one. How is this different than someone faking SMTP headers to make it seem like an email came from my domain when it didn't? I'm talking in terms of morals, obviously; I understand the technique is different. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Andy Davidson wrote:On 14 Jan 2009, at 16:06, Jeroen Massar wrote:Simon Lockhart wrote:(Yes, I'm in the minority that thinks that Randy hasn't done anything bad)Nah, I agree with Randy's experiment too. People should protect their networks better and this is clearly showing that there are a lot of vulnerable places in the core internet structure.The end sometimes justifies the means, and someone in the research community discovering flaws in bgp implementation (software, protocol, or process - at the bgp stack, in my NOC tools, in the community's understanding) before hackers/spammers/fraudsters do, then I count that as a result.We disagree. The 'researcher' does not get to decide whether the information gained by yelling fire to see how quickly people react is worth the risk of someone getting hurt, or even just missing the rest of the movie. No reputable research institution's ethics committee would allow an "experiment" to proceed which announced a prefix in such a way that every network engineer on the planet would assume the prefix traveled through $ASN even though the prefix had not, and the researcher did not even notify $ASN of the experiment. -- TTFN, patrick
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- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Matthew Kaufman (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Matthew Kaufman (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Hank Nussbacher (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Simon Lockhart (Jan 14)
- RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Michienne Dixon (Jan 14)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 bmanning (Jan 14)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Jeroen Massar (Jan 14)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Andy Davidson (Jan 15)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 15)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Nathan Malynn (Jan 15)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Jack Bates (Jan 14)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 John Payne (Jan 14)
- RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Michienne Dixon (Jan 14)
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- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 John Payne (Jan 15)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Adrian Chadd (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Jared Mauch (Jan 13)
- Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24 Chris Adams (Jan 13)