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Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS
From: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins () arbor net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:33:39 +0000
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:33 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote:
if the discussion hasn't shifted from that of DDoS to EDoS, it should.
All DDoS is 'EDoS' - it's a distinction without a difference, IMHO. DDoS costs opex, can cost direct revenue, can induce capex spends - it's all about economics at bottom, always has been, or nobody would care in the first place. And look at click-fraud attacks in which the miscreants either a) are committing fraud by causing botnets to make fake clicks so that they can be paid for same or b) wish to exhaust a rival's advertising budget when he's paying per-impression. Plain old packet-flooding DDoSes can cost victims/unwitting sources big money in transit costs, can cost SPs in transit and/or violating peering agreements, etc. There's no need or justification for a separate term; Chris Hoff bounced 'EDoS' around earlier this year, and the same arguments apply. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () arbor net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com> Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice. -- H.L. Mencken
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- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS, (continued)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Seth Mattinen (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Paul Ferguson (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Joe Greco (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Seth Mattinen (Nov 05)
- RE: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Stefan Fouant (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Roland Dobbins (Nov 05)
- RE: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Stefan Fouant (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Paul Ferguson (Nov 05)
- RE: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Stefan Fouant (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Florian Weimer (Nov 06)
- RE: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Stefan Fouant (Nov 07)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Dobbins, Roland (Nov 07)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Sean Donelan (Nov 08)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Seth Mattinen (Nov 08)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Roland Dobbins (Nov 05)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Florian Weimer (Nov 06)
- Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Eliot Lear (Nov 06)
- RE: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS Stefan Fouant (Nov 07)