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Re: DMCA takedowns of networks
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:30:46 -0400
On Oct 24, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
My comment was geared toward freedom of content and should not be interpreted to mean that network abuse will be permitted. We're very conservative about how we handle DMCA requests. If we receive one it better be valid and if there is any doubt we will challenge the sender vice punish our customer. Most DMCA we receive are completely bogus.
Like most "discussions" on NANOG, this was the result of a miscommunication. You said you would never censor anything other than CP without a court order. What you meant is that you could follow DCMA if it is not bogus even without a court order, and you would stop abuse, and you would in general act like many other reasonable providers.
I'm going to assume that means you would also buy transit from such providers.
Wow, it seems like we completely agree. Glad to have cleared that up. Try not to be so absolute next time. -- TTFN, patrick
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> wrote:On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:Outside of child pornography there is no content that I would ever considercensoring without a court order nor would I ever purchase transit from acompany that engages in this type of behavior.P.S. Good to know you would keep spammers, DDoS'ers, hackers, etc.connected, even in the face of evidence provided by other ISPs, "... nor would I ever purchase transit from a company that engages in this type ofbehavior." -- TTFN, patrickA DMCA takedown order has the force of law.This does not mean you should take down an entire network with unrelatedsites. Given He's history, I'm guessing it was a mistake.Not buying services from any network that has made a mistake would quicklyleave you with exactly zero options for transit. -- TTFN, patrickOn Oct 24, 2009 9:01 AM, "William Allen Simpson" < william.allen.simpson () gmail com> wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/chamber-of-commerce-stron_n_332087.htmlHurricane Electric obeyed the Chamber's letter and shut down the spoofsite. But in the process, they shut down hundreds of other sitesmaintained by May First / People Link, the Yes Men's direct provider(Hurricane Electric is its "upstream" provider). What's going on? Since when are we required to take down an entirecustomer's net for one of their subscriber's so-called infringement?Heck, it takes years to agree around here to take down a peering to anobviously criminal enterprise network....My first inclination would be to return the request (rejected), sayingit was sent to the wrong provider.-- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Platinum sponsor of HostingCon 2010. Come to Austin, TX on July 19 - 21 to find out how to "protect your booty."
Current thread:
- DMCA takedowns of networks William Allen Simpson (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Bret Clark (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jeffrey Lyon (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jeffrey Lyon (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brandt, Ralph (Oct 24)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Jon Lewis (Oct 24)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Sven Olaf Kamphuis (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Joly MacFie (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Brett Frankenberger (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Joe Greco (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)