RE: DMCA takedowns of networks

["Brian Johnson" <bjohnson () drtel com>]

Per Dictionary.com:

blackmail

-noun
1. any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious
revelations or accusations.
2. the extortion of such payment: He confessed rather than suffer the
dishonor of blackmail.
3. a tribute formerly exacted in the north of England and in Scotland by
freebooting chiefs for protection from pillage.

-verb (used with object)
4. to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats.
5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The
strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.


... thus, this is not blackmail. Please thrown your grenades and run. :)

- Brian


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis [mailto:sven () cyberbunker com]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: Joe Greco
> Cc: Brian Johnson; North American Network Operators Group
> Subject: Re: DMCA takedowns of networks
>
> > > Is there a better solution that doesn't require intrusive parsing?
> >
> > Sure.  Tell the hoster they've got to shut it down, or else lose
> their
> > connectivity.
>
> which would be called "blackmail".
>
> sure, have the cops arrest the guy that actually runs the site or
> uploaded
> it onto the site, if they cannot (because it simply doesnt happen to
be
> illegal in the country where he resides) they are out of luck and have
> to
> live with it.
>
> furthermore, in any case, a proper court order specifically
> mentioning the url, the customer, the right company out of our
> christmastree of companies worldwide, etc would
> be required as we dont plan to decide whats illegal and what not.
>
> ofcourse all of this only applies to "real crime". not to whining dmca
> idiots, whom are criminals themselves.
>
> --
>
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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > > > > So why are we having this discussion?
> > > >
> > > > Because it appears that HE took down non-infringing sites?
> > > >
> > > > Excuse me for stating the obvious.  :-)
> > > >
> > > > ... JG
> > > > --
> > > > Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -
> > >
> > > On the technical side of this question...
> > >
> > > Let's say that a customer is doing virtual hosting. So they have a
> bunch
> > > of sites (Let's say hundreds) on a single IP address. Given that
> one of
> > > the sites is misbehaving (use your own definition), how would a
> provider
> > > block the one site, without blocking others that share the same IP
> > > address, without looking at every port 80 request and parsing for
> the
> > > header for the URL?
> > >
> > > Is there a better solution that doesn't require intrusive parsing?
> >
> > Sure.  Tell the hoster they've got to shut it down, or else lose
> their
> > connectivity.
> >
> > Sometimes it can be both simple *and* obvious.
> >
> > ... JG
> > --
> > Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -
> http://www.sol.net
> > "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
> [and] then I
> > won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on
e-mail
> spam(CNN)
> > With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
many
> apples.
> > X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "nanog"