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Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:13:20 -0700
Peter Beckman wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Mark Andrews wrote:What a load of rubbish. How is ARIN or any RIR/LIR supposed to know the intent of use?Why don't we just blacklist everything and only whitelist those we know are good? Because the cost of determining who is good and who is not has a great cost. If you buy an IP block, regardless of your intent, that IP block should not have the ill-will of the previous owner passed on with it.
You don't buy ip blocks or at least not from ARIN. Among other things that ARIN does not guarantee is routability.
If the previous owner sucked, the new owner should have the chance to use that IP block without restriction until they prove that they suck, at which point it will be blocked again. That system seems to work well enough: blacklist blocks when they start do be evil, according to your own (you being the neteng in charge) definition of evil. ARIN needs to be impartial. If they are going to sell the block, they should do their best to make a coordinated effort to make sure the block is as unencumbered as possible. I get that there is a sense that ARIN needs to do more due dilligence to determine if the receiving party is worthy of that block, but I'm not aware of the process, and from the grumblings it doesn't seem like fun.Note we all could start using IPv6 and avoid this problem altogether.Because as we know IPv6 space is inexhaustable. Just like IPv4 was when it began its life. ;-) That won't avoid the problem, it will simply put the problem off until it rears its head again. I'm sure that IPv6 space will be more easily gotten until problems arise, and in a few years (maybe decades, we can put this problem on our children's shoulders), we'll be back where we are now -- getting recycled IP space that is blocked or encumbered due to bad previous owners. Beckman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman () angryox com http://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Current thread:
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation, (continued)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Martin Hannigan (Sep 14)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Mark Andrews (Sep 09)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Peter Beckman (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Benjamin Billon (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation bmanning (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Kevin Loch (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Benjamin Billon (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Peter Beckman (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Joel Jaeggli (Sep 11)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Joe Greco (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Joel Jaeggli (Sep 11)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Leo Vegoda (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Christopher Morrow (Sep 13)
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- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Tim Chown (Sep 14)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 10)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Christopher Morrow (Sep 13)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Jon Lewis (Sep 08)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Justin Shore (Sep 08)
- Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation Rich Kulawiec (Sep 14)
- Re: Hijacked Blocks (was: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation) John Curran (Sep 14)