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Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?
From: Eliot Lear <lear () cisco com>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:19:59 +0200
On 4/20/10 6:38 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, John R. Levine wrote:Skype video chat, all the time, works fine. Don't remember about file transfer.Whenever I am behind NAT and talk to someone else who is behind NAT skype seems to lower the quality, my guess it's because it now bounces traffic via another non-NATed node.These kind of applications work best if there is at least one non-NATed party involved, especially for video etc.
My own experience is that skype quality lags that of iChat A/V, but I had always attributed that to iChat having better codecs. I could be wrong. iChat A/V, on the other hand, seems to have a heart attack when both sides have private addresses, and the firewall configuration is non-trivial.
But I think we're going about this the wrong way. I wonder if we could change the way we do business in the longer term if everyone had public address space. As an application guy, I dislike the fact that people have to rely on some sort of service to share their calendars. That makes great sense for the service provider, and it even makes sense for the consumer right now due to the state of the art. But perhaps the times could change.
There are lots of use cases where connecting into the house would be nice. Baby monitoring, security monitoring, Smart this, smart that, etc. Instead we require extra middleware to make it all work. The economics are, if nothing else, a painful lesson.
Eliot
Current thread:
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?, (continued)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? bmanning (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Joe Greco (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Owen DeLong (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Mark Andrews (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? John Levine (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Simon Perreault (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Jack Bates (Apr 20)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Owen DeLong (Apr 20)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? John R. Levine (Apr 20)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 20)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Eliot Lear (Apr 20)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Mark Smith (Apr 20)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Jens Link (Apr 21)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, Joe Greco (Apr 21)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Andy Davidson (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Matthew Kaufman (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Nick Hilliard (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Jon Lewis (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 27)
- Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Jon Lewis (Apr 27)