RE: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

["Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr () baby-dragons com>]

        Hello Lee ,

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgreco () ns sol net]
> > It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out
> > the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of
> > encouraging v6 adoption.  The lack of a need for onerous contractual
> > clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought
> > to make v6 really cheap.
>
> For "fairly liberally" see:
> For ISPs:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51
>         You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 years
> Non-ISP:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58
>         Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies,
>         you get to choose which one).
>
> In another post you asked essentially "why does ARIN charge so much?"
> ARIN doesn't just maintain a notebook of address assignments.  There are
> HA servers for Whois, IN-ADDR. and IP6.ARPA, research in things like
> SIDR, DNSsec, other tools-services, and educational outreach on IPv6.
> You suggest that there's much less to argue about in IPv6 policy, but if
> you look at current proposals (https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/)
> you'll see three that are IPv6-specific, and most of the others cover
> both IPv4 and IPv6.  So ARIN will continue to maintain the mailing
> lists, and hold public policy meetings (with remote participation, so
> anyone can participate), and facilitate elections so you can throw the
> bums out if you don't like how we do things.
>
> We don't really know how much IPv6 will cost ARIN.  If there were
> no more debate about allocation policies, and nobody else had any interest
> in us (politically or litigiously), and technology were fairly static, then
> we
> might just do periodic tech refreshes and be fine.  I imagine all of those
> things will continue for a while, though, and ARIN will need to be
> financially solvent through the transition.
>
>
> Your ARIN fee does not cover me posting here.  That's gratis, and
> worth it.
>
> Lee
	Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different 
interpretation to the prose there .

<Quote>
6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations
6.5.8.1. Criteria

To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must:

   1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and
   2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 
policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct 
IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any current 
ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section 2.8, with 
assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9.
</Quote>

	Note the ""'d section above .  I as a Legacy holder of netname 
baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT ,  by definition , 
Qualified .

	I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the present 
Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the time of their 
Assignments or Allocations .  If I could find my OLD Ultrix Tarball or Dump 
tapes from that era ,  and they are still readable ,  I might just be able to 
present the conversations I had at that time with InterNIC while acquiring that 
Legacy Space .
        Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded conversation ?

                Twyl ,  JimL

ps:     Back to haunting mode .
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