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Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC
From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:53:18 -0700
On 8/11/10 12:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
Nice to see this change.... APAC has been obliged to pay the cost to peer with the US (long distance links are expensive). Now that US wants to peer with Asia, pricing may become more balanced...
I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A megabit in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged for for the transport cost across the pacific. The answer has more to do with the maturity of comms infrastructure, the cost of captial, and regulatory or monopoloy capture than it does with some artifical lack of price equilibrium.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ulevitch" <david () ulevitch com> To: nanog () merit edu Sent: Thursday, 12 August, 2010 7:00:12 AM Subject: Cost of transit and options in APAC Hi Nanog, As we extend our reach into Asia, we're finding that our typical carriers (see: upstreams of AS36692) who provide service to us in North America and Europe are not able to offer us service in Asia either (1) at all or (2) at prices remotely resembling our pricing in NA and EU. For example: Level(3) simply has no presence in Asia and on the pricing side, NTT, GBLX, Verizon and others' pricing is many times higher than their NA and EU pricing. In most cases, it's 10 or more times higher. Additionally, some of the networks seem to market their network based on their reach into the US, rather than their reach into actual users in Asia, which is what we're looking for. So my question is, what are non-APAC-based networks doing as they expand into Asia for transit beyond peering with whomever will peer with them to get close to actual users in Asia? Are people using regional carriers? Are people just paying the "crazy" (compared to US pricing) bandwidth costs? Are people doing peering-only setups out there? Any help would be useful -- hopefully this is on-topic for NANOG, which I think it is, since I'm curious how NA operators deal with these challenges as they expand into APAC. I'm happy to summarize responses later if there is interest. Thanks, David
Current thread:
- Cost of transit and options in APAC David Ulevitch (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Franck Martin (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Joel Jaeggli (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Christopher Hart (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Benson Schliesser (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Leigh Porter (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Nathan Stratton (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Franck Martin (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Joel Jaeggli (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Benson Schliesser (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Dorian Kim (Aug 12)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Benson Schliesser (Aug 12)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 12)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Joel Jaeggli (Aug 11)
- Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC Franck Martin (Aug 11)