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Re: Lightly used IP addresses
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:51:46 -0400
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:44:18 EDT, Owen DeLong said:
You and Randy operate from the assumption that these less certain rights somehow exist at all. I believe them to be fictitious in nature and contrary to the intent of number stewardship all the way back to Postel's original notebook. Postel himself is on record stating that disused addresses should be returned.
We've written RFCs that explain SHOULD != MUST. Keep in mind that he said that back in a long-bygone era where sending an e-mail asking "If you're not going to deploy that address range, can you give it back just because it's the Right Thing To Do, even though there's a chance that 15 years from now, you'll be able to sell it for megabucks" didn't get 53 levels of management and lawyers involved. On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:33:34 EDT, Owen DeLong said:
A contract which clarifies that you still don't have rights you never had does not constitute relinquishing those non-existent rights no matter how many times you repeat yourself.
Ahh - but here's the kicker. For the contract to clarify the status of that right, it *is* admitting that the right exists and has a definition (even if not spelled out in the contract). A non-existent thing can't be the subject of a contract negotiation. So in the contract, you can agree that you don't have right XYZ, and clarify that you understand you never had right XYZ. But it doesn't make sense if XYZ is nonexistent.
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- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Owen DeLong (Aug 16)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses John Curran (Aug 16)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Brett Frankenberger (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Owen DeLong (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Owen DeLong (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses John Curran (Aug 15)
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- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Eric Brunner-Williams (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Seth Mattinen (Aug 15)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Joe Maimon (Aug 16)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses John Curran (Aug 16)
- Re: Lightly used IP addresses Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 16)
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