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Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style


From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:58:29 -0800


On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:

From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi.com () nanog org  Sun Dec 19 23:31:25 2010
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:30:45 -0800
From: JC Dill <jcdill.lists () gmail com>
To: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

 On 19/12/10 8:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
You can send letters

Technically, this is illegal.  You can send "documents" via FedEx and UPS.

just as well as packages via the other carriers.

The "USPS monopoly" on first class mail is absurd. In fact, FedEx, UPS,
et. al could offer a $0.44 letter product if they wanted to.

No, they can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

They could not call it mail. They could call it "first class document delivery."

However, the reality is that they probably couldn't sustain their business
at that price point.

The USPS doesn't have an actual monopoly so much as ownership of
the term Mail almost like a trademark.


It's not just a trademark, it's the class of service.  Just try starting 
up a regular mail service, and see how far you get before they SHUT YOU 
DOWN.

Actually, the gov't -won't- shut you down in that situation.  They *WILL*,
however make you pay -them- the statutory "first-class" postage rate for
each such piece you carry.

Aside: put a 'personal' sealed envelope communication inside a FedEx/UPS/
whatever shimpent, and you are _supposed_ to (a) 'declare' it on the 
outside of the package, and (b) put the appropriate postage stamps on
the package.

The "FedEx' 'overnight letter' (and other carrier equivalents) is a really
cute case of threading the needle between what does and does not require
first-class postage.  It makes _interesting_ reading to review the actual
tariffs and express service 'rules' on what you can send via that service.


Like I said... Once you untangle all the regulations, the net effect is not
a monopoly so much as a byzantine set of laws and regulations designed
to make it look like you have to pay USPS no matter what when in
reality that's not the case.

For all practical purposes, the post office faces what competition is
practical.

Owen



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