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Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course
From: Matthew Walster <matthew () walster org>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:13:54 +0100
On 30 July 2010 08:32, Jeroen Massar <jeroen () unfix org> wrote:
On 2010-07-30 09:27, Matthew Walster wrote:On 29 July 2010 18:08, Leo Vegoda <leo.vegoda () icann org> wrote:There's a good chance that in the long run multi-subnet home networks will become the norm.With all due respect, I can't see it. Why would a home user need multiple subnets?* Wireless * Wired * DMZ Those three I see a lot at various people's places.
I have *never* seen those three security zones separated outside of a business or the house of a nerd who runs his own Linux distro (Smoothwall etc). Furthermore, you're then pushing all that traffic into a $30 router which almost guaranteed will be underpowered. Look at it this way: When I signed up at tunnelbroker.net, I received a /64. I was happy, and I went about my business. I wanted to have a play with something a bit bigger, I pressed "Assign /48" and it was ready to go in under a second. That's how it *should* work, or at least, in my opinion.
Also note that you should stop thinking of "today", think about what might be possible in 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years...
I'm not thinking of today, I'm thinking about the people who use these services. They don't know about networking, they don't know about security apart from "install this virus checker". Most of them will laboriously transfer files from system to system using a USB drive (or floppy disk!) even though there's a big flashing icon on their desktop saying "put files here and they'll magically appear on your other machine". These people don't know and don't *care* about networks. They care about the service they get. That isn't going to change in 50 years. If you genuinely think that regular residential users need multiple subnets to create a zoned config... You're wrong. It *will* piss them off, even if transparent. It's not just because of the speed (which as you say, will improve over time) it's because suddenly their wired-in Xbox in front of the TV just won't talk to the wireless Xbox their mate just brought round to have a play with. If you say that's down to education, you've entirely missed the point.
The /48 for end-users might indeed be a bit on the much side, but a /56 is IMHO perfect fit for any home-site. The huge advantage of just giving out /48s though is that you don't have to care about if the connection is terminated at a home or a big corporation, as they say with shirts: one size fits all, simply as it is way too big.
Completely agree. M
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- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course, (continued)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Marco Hogewoning (Jul 23)
- RE: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Lee Howard (Jul 23)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Karl Auer (Jul 22)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 29)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Owen DeLong (Jul 29)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 29)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Jordi Palet MartÃnez (Jul 29)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Leo Vegoda (Jul 29)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Jeroen Massar (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Owen DeLong (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Leo Bicknell (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course David Conrad (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Tore Anderson (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Owen DeLong (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Matthew Walster (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Owen DeLong (Jul 30)
- Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course JC Dill (Jul 30)