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Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers
From: Marshall Eubanks <tme () americafree tv>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:50:52 -0400
On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Peter Boone wrote:
So let's say a cyber-attack originates from Chinese script kiddie. Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania,Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United Stateswill all respond by invading China?
That leaves out the important aspect of selection. You can bet that, if they do this, they will pick
a more suitable target, say one without strategic rocket forces.
Is NATO trying to start a war here?
Militaries tend to think in terms of military responses. What any of this has to do with configuring routers escapes me. Regards Marshall
There's no mention in the article about any kind of electronic response tothe attack. -----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo [mailto:sil () infiltrated net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:08 PM To: nanog () merit edu Subject: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackersFrom the NetSec mailing list...At http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article7144856.ece June 6, 2010 Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers Michael Smith and Peter WarrenNATO is considering the use of military force against enemies who launchcyber attacks on its member states.The move follows a series of Russian-linked hacking against Nato membersandwarnings from intelligence services of the growing threat from China.A team of Nato experts led by Madeleine Albright, the former US secretaryofstate, has warned that the next attack on a Nato country ³may well comedowna fibre-optic cable². A report by Albright¹s group said that a cyber attack on the critical infrastructure of a Nato country could equate to an armed attack,justifyingretaliation.Article 5 is the cornerstone of the 1949 Nato charter, laying down that³anarmed attack² against one or more Nato countries ³shall be considered anattack against them all².It was the clause in the charter that was invoked following the September11attacks to justify the removal of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.Nato is now considering how severe the attack would have to be to justify retaliation, what military force could be used and what targets would beattacked.The organisation¹s lawyers say that because the effect of a cyber attackcanbe similar to an armed assault, there is no need to redraft existing treaties.Eneken Tikk, a lawyer at Nato¹s cyber defence centre in Estonia, said it would be enough to invoke the mutual defence clause ³if, for example, acyber attack on a country¹s power networks or critical infrastructureresulted in casualties and destruction comparable to a military attack².Nato heads of government are expected to discuss the potential use of military force in response to cyber attacks at a summit in Lisbon inNovember that will debate the alliance¹s future. General Keith Alexander, head of the newly created US cyber command, said last week there was aneedfor ³clear rules of engagement that say what we can stop².The concerns follow warnings from intelligence services across Europe that computer-launched attacks from Russia and China are a mounting threat. Russian hackers have been blamed for an attack against Estonia in AprilandMay of 2007 which crippled government, media and banking communicationsandinternet sites. They also attacked Georgian computer systems during the August 2008invasionof the country, bringing down air defence networks and telecommunicationssystems belonging to the president, the government and banks. Alexander disclosed last week that a 2008 attack on the Pentagon¹ssystems,believed to have been mounted by the Chinese, successfully broke throughinto classified areas. Britain¹s Joint Intelligence Committee cautioned last year thatChinese-madeparts in the BT phone network could be used to bring down systems runningthe country¹s power and food supplies.Some experts have warned that it is often hard to establish government involvement. Many Russian attacks, for example, have been blamed on theRussian mafia. The Kremlin has consistently refused to sign aninternationaltreaty banning internet crime.Obviously NATO is not concerned with proving the culprit of an attack analbeit close to impossibility. Considering that many attackerscompromise so many machines, what's to stop someone from instigating. Ican see it coming now: hping -S 62.128.58.180 -a 62.220.119.62 -p ++21 -w 6000 hping -S 62.220.119.62 -a 62.128.58.180 -p ++21 -w 6000 So NANOGer's, what will be the game plan when something like this happens, will you be joining NATO and pulling fiber. I wonder when all types of warm-fuzzy filtering will be drafted into networking: "Thou shall re-read RFC4953 lest you want Predator strikes on your NAP locations... -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP, CPT "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E
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