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Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP
From: Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott () oicr on ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:21:46 -0400
Haven't seen these same issues either, but have seen others.. We use HP 8212's here to connect our storage and hpc devices. each 8212 has about 20 or more 10Gbit connections. Everyone is happy with them from an availability and performance perspective. Two things which I noticed, 1. Under heavy load (60% or more of 10Gbit interfaces at +80%) we have seen _all_ interfaces simultaneously drop packets and generate interface errors. this was on an early release of the firmware and I don't think we have seen this problem in awhile. 2. each module only has about 28 Gbits of bandwidth to the backplane. this means if you want non blocking 10Gbit access to the backplan you can only load up an 8212 50% of its physical port capacity with active links. Very recently they changed licensing, the 8212's use to ship with premium licenses included. this gave you OSPF, PIM VRRP and QinQ. without a product number change or other clear indication, these no longer are included but must be purchased separately. This was a bit of a let down as we use OSPF internally and was one of the items that made the 8212's interesting when deciding what we would standardize on for access switches. We also use 6509e's for our core routers, they use to be the only routers till we deployed OSPF. On the internet edge we use ASRs. The 'H3C' switches they recently acquired look nice(r). -g On Jun 17, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Tom Ammon wrote:
We've had a much different experience than what Tom is describing here. We've used HP extensively in our networks, mostly because of the price and warranty. For simple, flat networks, they are a great buy, in my opinion. We've never seen the packet loss issues that were described, and we push quite a bit of data through the 5412, 2900, and 6600 series products. That said, we've never used them for much outside of basic layer 2 services. We have a couple of c6500s for our core network, but at the edge, we have been very happy with HP. So far, warranty service has been flawless, although we have only replaced maybe half a dozen switches out of about 70 total that we have installed, over the course of 5 years. There isn't much as far as advanced features (for example, don't expect to get MPLS or BGP), but since we don't use those features at the edge, we haven't been hurt by that. Tom On 06/17/2010 10:37 AM, Tom wrote:On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, James Smith wrote:So my questions to the NANOG community are: Would you recommend HP over Cisco or Juniper?Pretty much never, unless you're talking about a rebadged Brocade product. Every time I've seen HP networking gear in production, its usually before it gets replaced with something else. The last install I dealt with was having so many problems it had a constant %10 packetloss on a simple flat network.How is HP's functionality and performance compared to Cisco or Juniper?Typically poor, but this varies widely with the series of HP gear. The software updates available also vary widely in quality, and I have rarely gotten a good answer from HP support on anything.Does anyone have any HP networking experiences they can share, good or bad?To end on a positive note, HP does have a good warranty, is typically fairly low cost and provides free software updates. -Tom-- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Ammon Network Engineer Office: 801.587.0976 Mobile: 801.674.9273 Center for High Performance Computing University of Utah http://www.chpc.utah.edu
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- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Andrew D Kirch (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Jack Carrozzo (Jun 17)
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- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Jack Carrozzo (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Andrew Thrift (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Eugen Leitl (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Jeff Kell (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Bill Blackford (Jun 17)
- RE: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Dylan Ebner (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Tom (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Tom Ammon (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Greg Whynott (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Colin Alston (Jun 23)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Matthew Walster (Jun 24)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Carl Rosevear (Jun 24)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Ray Soucy (Jun 24)
- RE: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Jason Gurtz (Jun 25)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Ray Soucy (Jun 25)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Chuck Anderson (Jun 25)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Tom Ammon (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Andrew D Kirch (Jun 17)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP Colin Alston (Jun 29)
- Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP sthaug (Jun 30)
- RE: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP George Bonser (Jun 30)