Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 33, Issue 93

[Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel () gmail com>]

I believe that the vast majority of the legacy space is in fact in the US.
RD


> Not to stir an already boiling over pot and all, but is there any kind
> of report or documentation on releasing of space from countries other
> then the North American region?
>
> I'd hate to think that the rest of the world thinks that the US should
> be the one to give up all their space so that they can continue to hand
> out space like candy...
>
> --
> Brielle Bruns
> The Summit Open Source Development Group
> http://www.sosdg.org    /     http://www.ahbl.org
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:52:00 +0100
> From: "Stephen D. Strowes" <sds () dcs gla ac uk>
> Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
>        45/8    address block
> To: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> Cc: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org>
> Message-ID: <1287593520.11548.15.camel@carney>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:40 +0100, John Curran wrote:
> > > Also makes me wonder if there are historical versions of this registry
> > > available. If reclamation of large blocks such as this becomes
> > > commonplace, will many of the legacy allocations simply become
> > > footnotes? (In the registry document, as well as in history?)
> >
> > This has already happened in many cases; address blocks previously
> > held by US DoD, BBN, Stanford were returned, held for a period,
> > and then reissued.
>
> Indeed yes. And these returned blocks aren't noted in the IANA registry
> (for good reason I guess; the registry is meant to be current.) Is this
> historical information noted anywhere?
>
>
> -S.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:06:33 -0700
> From: Doug Barton <dougb () dougbarton us>
> Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
>        45/8    address block
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Message-ID: <4CBF2199.4010700 () dougbarton us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 10/20/2010 7:13 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > i think this is cool, but ...
> >
> > > ARIN will follow global policy at that time and return it to the
> > > global free pool or distribute the space to those organizations in the
> > > ARIN region with documented need, as appropriate.
> >
> > i know the us has the world series, but global>  arin region
>
> I would like to join the chorus of applause for Interop's generosity. I
> agree with those who've said that this only buys us a little more time,
> but they did the right thing, and we should applaud them for that; along
> with the DOD and others who have returned their unneeded space.
>
> As for the fact that the block was released to ARIN as opposed to going
> back in the free pool, the effect may ultimately be the same.
> Allocations from IANA to the RIRs happen under the policy posted at
> http://www.icann.org/en/general/allocation-IPv4-rirs.html. The
> determination of when to allocate a new /8 is based on the amount of
> free space that the RIR has on hand at the time of the request. There
> are 12 /8s remaining atm, and 5 of those will automatically be allocated
> 1 per RIR when the other 7 have been allocated under the normal policy.
> I am confident that ARIN will also do the right thing here and include
> the /8 from Interop in their free space calculation before requesting an
> allocation of one of the 7 /8s in the free pool.
>
>
> hth,
>
> Doug
>
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>
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:34:22 -0400
> From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
>        45/8    address block
> To: Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com>
> Cc: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org>
> Message-ID: <62EADAE5-5D10-4749-AD1F-9343A457FC5A () arin net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> > Not to stir an already boiling over pot and all, but is there any kind of
> report or documentation on releasing of space from countries other then the
> North American region?
>
> You're not going to find a lot of large allocations which are unused in
> other regions, predominantly because these allocations where made at the
> earliest time of the Internet to organizations that were mostly in the
> ARIN region.
>
> > I'd hate to think that the rest of the world thinks that the US should be
> the one to give up all their space so that they can continue to hand out
> space like candy...
>
> While it is true that some regions seem to be experiencing a real surge
> in IPv4 demand recently, it's also important to remember that *all* of the
> address space is for the Internet community at large, based on documented
> need, on a first-come, first-serve basis.  It's actually "global Internet
> address space"; this is a fundamental principle of the Internet Registry
> system as noted in RFC 2050.
>
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:41:19 -0400
> From: Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel () gmail com>
> Subject: Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 33, Issue 91
> To: nanog () nanog org
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> We all are waiving flags about the return of one solitary /8 to ARIN,
> (which
> is a good thing)  but should we not waive flags about new v6 networks too?
>
> Let us waive the flags also for the v6 adopters...I think we need to
> evangelize v6 even more than we are already doing.
>
> RD
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:27:41 -0400
> > From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Joel Esler <joel.esler () me com>
> > Cc: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>, "nanog () nanog org"
> >        <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <AANLkTin4P826POmny_rNZvSZowkNih7zN1LMiFhAYQKN () mail gmail com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Joel Esler <joel.esler () me com> wrote:
> > > Now, if we could get everyone that has these gigantic /8's (or multiple
> > of them) that aren't using them to give some back, that'd be great.
> >
> > it's nice that interop did a nice thing here, but seriously, this is
> > ~3 months of usage... there is no saving the move to v6, the bottom's
> > going to fall out on or about june 2011 it seems.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:28:44 -0400
> > From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org Operators Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <EBF47E07-EDC2-47F7-89EE-5D2165A741EF () arin net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard <nick () foobar org>
> wrote:
> > > > Thank you Interop - for performing an outstanding act of altruism.
> > > >
> > > > John, could you provide more details at this stage on how much address
> > space
> > > > was returned to ARIN?
> > >
> > > less than 3 months supply at the going drain rate.
> >
> > Not to be depressing, but a /8 (or 99% of one :-) is potentially less
> > than one month's drain on the global IPv4 free pool, if one considers
> > the allocations over the last 12 months to be predictive.
> >
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > ARIN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:29:58 -0400
> > From: Curtis Maurand <cmaurand () xyonet com>
> > Subject: Re: Recommendations for Metro-Ethernet Equipment
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Message-ID: <4CBF0AF6.9030207 () xyonet com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >  I'd add Alcatel to that list.
> >
> > On 10/20/2010 11:24 AM, Eric Merkel wrote:
> > > I've been tasked with making a recommendation for the core and access
> > > equipment for a small metro-ethernet network. We're probably talking at
> > max
> > > 200-300 subs split between two termination points. Most customers will
> > > probably be at speeds of 100M or less. We'd like the backbone to be 10G
> > and
> > > be MPLS capable. That being said some of the companies we've been
> looking
> > at
> > > are
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cisco
> > >
> > > Extreme
> > >
> > > Brocade
> > >
> > > Adtran
> > >
> > > Occam
> > >
> > > Zhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We're looking to build the network in a cost effective manner so we're
> > not
> > > opposed to doing using aftermarket or refurbished equipment but we
> don't
> > > want to start off with equipment that has no future of expanding.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions, success or horror stories are appreciated. ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > >
> > > Eric Merkel
> > >
> > > MetaLINK Technologies, Inc.
> > >
> > > Email: merkel at metalink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:33:01 -0400
> > From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org Operators Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <BB969AF1-E6DC-4E71-B3D7-A56DABDEB24B () arin net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > > it's nice that interop did a nice thing here, but seriously, this is
> > > ~3 months of usage... there is no saving the move to v6, the bottom's
> > > going to fall out on or about june 2011 it seems.
> >
> > I agree with Chris; this (and any other returns) won't change the IPv4
> > depletion/IPv6 deployment timeline substantially, but it's also true
> > we have folks who are just now realizing IPv4 depletion is happening
> > and returned address space may make the difference for those who need
> > just a bit more time...
> >
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > ARIN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:35:19 -0400
> > From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org Operators Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <AANLkTimgWaS1Vk+WVeXDEkL8srCBE6wxEpLOaV8Ez1Hv () mail gmail 
> > com<AANLkTimgWaS1Vk%2BWVeXDEkL8srCBE6wxEpLOaV8Ez1Hv () mail gmail com>
> <AANLkTimgWaS1Vk%2BWVeXDEkL8srCBE6wxEpLOaV8Ez1Hv () mail gmail com<AANLkTimgWaS1Vk%252BWVeXDEkL8srCBE6wxEpLOaV8Ez1Hv 
> () mail gmail com>
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:28 AM, John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
> > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > > less than 3 months supply at the going drain rate.
> > >
> > > Not to be depressing, but a /8 (or 99% of one :-) is potentially less
> > > than one month's drain on the global IPv4 free pool, if one considers
> > > the allocations over the last 12 months to be predictive.
> >
> > yes, sorry.. since this was returned to ARIN, I assumed the ARIN
> > region drain rate.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:37:55 -0400
> > From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Jeroen Massar <jeroen () unfix org>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org Operators Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <CC71D159-C46E-49C7-9A8B-6A99508CCB89 () arin net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > > The problem with that is indeed in that little part about "aren't using
> > > them", if even only 50% is in use because one allocated it quite
> > > sparsely you won't be able to quickly clean it up and return it.
> >
> > Correct.  It might make sense to do so, if you could recover the costs of
> > the work involved.  This is the reasoning behind the Specified Transfer
> > policy that was recently adopted; it allows (once we're at depletion) for
> > parties to free up address space and get compensated.  It's goal is not
> to
> > provide a windfall for those holding unused space; in theory, those with
> > unused address space should be returning it already if they can easily do
> > so.
> >
> > > One can of course wonder if they are supposed to use that or not.
> > > The fact that they do not have reverse DNS delegation for it says quite
> > > a bit already of course.
> >
> > One of the other benefits of improved utilization for returned space
> > is less space which is "sitting idle" and available to be hijacked.
> >
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > ARIN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:40:57 -0400
> > From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org Operators Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <DBBFDC71-10D2-45CE-86C5-08496337CD02 () arin net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > yes, sorry.. since this was returned to ARIN, I assumed the ARIN
> > > region drain rate.
> >
> > Ah, good point.  It may end up in the global pool, so comparison to
> > either drain rate is quite reasonable.
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:45:20 -0400
> > From: Joe Maimon <jmaimon () ttec com>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > Cc: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>, "nanog () nanog org"
> >        <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <4CBF0E90.6070403 () ttec com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard<nick () foobar org>
>  wrote:
> > > > Thank you Interop - for performing an outstanding act of altruism.
> > > >
> > > > John, could you provide more details at this stage on how much address
> > space
> > > > was returned to ARIN?
> > >
> > > less than 3 months supply at the going drain rate.
> >
> > So would it be more logical for all those willing to return do so only
> > after depletion when the impact and resulting appreciation is likely to
> > be greater?
> >
> > Plus, those less altruistic could weigh the options better after real
> > value is associated with the scarce resource.
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:02:16 -0400
> > From: Francois Menard <francois () menards ca>
> > Subject: Re: Recommendations for Metro-Ethernet Equipment
> > To: Curtis Maurand <cmaurand () xyonet com>
> > Cc: nanog () nanog org
> > Message-ID: <B861A05D-DB46-4E45-8818-A6C0C6356DB1 () menards ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > We just bought a fair amount of MRV Optiswitches for that same purpose.
> >
> > F.
> >
> > On 2010-10-20, at 11:29 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote:
> >
> > > I'd add Alcatel to that list.
> > >
> > > On 10/20/2010 11:24 AM, Eric Merkel wrote:
> > > > I've been tasked with making a recommendation for the core and access
> > > > equipment for a small metro-ethernet network. We're probably talking
> at
> > max
> > > > 200-300 subs split between two termination points. Most customers will
> > > > probably be at speeds of 100M or less. We'd like the backbone to be
> 10G
> > and
> > > > be MPLS capable. That being said some of the companies we've been
> > looking at
> > > > are
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cisco
> > > >
> > > > Extreme
> > > >
> > > > Brocade
> > > >
> > > > Adtran
> > > >
> > > > Occam
> > > >
> > > > Zhone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We're looking to build the network in a cost effective manner so we're
> > not
> > > > opposed to doing using aftermarket or refurbished equipment but we
> don't
> > > > want to start off with equipment that has no future of expanding.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions, success or horror stories are appreciated. ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > Eric Merkel
> > > >
> > > > MetaLINK Technologies, Inc.
> > > >
> > > > Email: merkel at metalink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner () cluebyfour org>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010201154270.17786 () whammy cluebyfour org>
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Joel Esler wrote:
> >
> > > Now, if we could get everyone that has these gigantic /8's (or multiple
> > > of them) that aren't using them to give some back, that'd be great.
> > >
> > > Thank you interop for setting the example.
> >
> > Sure, it would be a nice gesture if MIT/HP/Ford/Xerox/Halliburton/etc
> gave
> > back the chunks of the /8s they weren't using, but it wouldn't
> > significantly affect when the IPv4 well runs dry.  Also, without knowing
> > how those organizations have used the space internally, such an
> > altruistic gesture could also come at the cost of having to de-aggregate
> > a bunch of advertisements in BGP.
> >
> > The law of diminishing returns comes into play.
> > jms
> >
> > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you Interop - for performing an outstanding act of altruism.
> > > >
> > > > John, could you provide more details at this stage on how much address
> > space was returned to ARIN?
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > On 20/10/2010 14:34, John Curran wrote:
> > > > > FYI,
> > > > > /John
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > > https://www.arin.net/announcements/2010/20101020.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Posted: Wednesday, 20 October 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > ARIN today recognizes Interop, an organization with a long-standing
> > presence in the Internet industry, for returning its unneeded Internet
> > Protocol version 4 (IPv4) address space.
> > > > > Interop was originally allocated a /8 before ARIN's existence and the
> > availability of smaller-sized address blocks. The organization recently
> > realized it was only using a small portion of its address block and that
> > returning the remainder to ARIN would be for the greater good of the
> > Internet community.
> > > > > ARIN will accept the returned space and not reissue it for a short
> > period, per existing operational procedure. After the hold period, ARIN
> will
> > follow global policy at that time and return it to the global free pool
> or
> > distribute the space to those organizations in the ARIN region with
> > documented need, as appropriate.
> > > > > With less than 5% of the IPv4 address space left in the global free
> > pool, ARIN warns that Interop's return will not significantly extend the
> > life of IPv4. ARIN continues to emphasize the need for all Internet
> > stakeholders to adopt the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Communications and Member Services
> > > > > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joel Esler
> > > http://www.joelesler.net
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:04:29 -0400
> > From: Ernie Rubi <ernesto () cs fiu edu>
> > Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
> >        45/8    address block
> > To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon () ttec com>
> > Cc: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>, "nanog () nanog org"
> >        <nanog () nanog org>
> > Message-ID: <107A762E-D0A0-4CBA-92D8-376FCD6E266B () cs fiu edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > I don't think ARIN (or any other RIR) wants people to think this way.
> >
> > Appreciation and value are words that most folks at ICANN don't want
> > network engineers to associate with IP addresses.
> >
> > "The real value is in routing"; is the party line.
> >
> > STLS to me is kind of double speak, ARIN says: "this isn't a capital
> > resource", but yet if you go through us and list your 'unused' blocks in
> > this space, we don't care what financial transaction happens behind the
> > scenes.
> >
> > Maybe John can shed more light on this.
> >
> > For some background, go over to the Internet-history mailing list, which
> > included a very lively discussion of "ownership interest" in IP
> addresses.
> > Ernie
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> >
> > > So would it be more logical for all those willing to return do so only
> > after depletion when the impact and resulting appreciation is likely to
> be
> > greater?
> > > Plus, those less altruistic could weigh the options better after real
> > value is associated with the scarce resource.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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>
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>
> Rudi Daniel
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:53:12 -0600
> From: Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com>
> Subject: Re: ARIN recognizes Interop for return of more than 99% of
>        45/8    address block
> To: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org>
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> On 10/20/10 11:34 AM, John Curran wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> > > > Not to stir an already boiling over pot and all, but is there any
> > > > kind of report or documentation on releasing of space from
> > > > countries other then the North American region?
> > You're not going to find a lot of large allocations which are unused
> > in other regions, predominantly because these allocations where made
> > at the earliest time of the Internet to organizations that were
> > mostly in the ARIN region.
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>
> True, I didn't take that into account.  :)
>
> > > > I'd hate to think that the rest of the world thinks that the US
> > > > should be the one to give up all their space so that they can
> > > > continue to hand out space like candy...
> > While it is true that some regions seem to be experiencing a real
> > surge in IPv4 demand recently, it's also important to remember
> > that*all*  of the address space is for the Internet community at
> > large, based on documented need, on a first-come, first-serve basis.
> > It's actually "global Internet address space"; this is a fundamental
> > principle of the Internet Registry system as noted in RFC 2050.
>
> Understood, I'm just expressing concern over the current situation of
> IPv4 exhaustion.  As a spam fighter, I tend to see bursts of spam from
> newly allocated space in various regions which leaves me scratching my
> head as to why some places keep asking for more space and getting it so
> easily.
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> Brielle Bruns
> The Summit Open Source Development Group
> http://www.sosdg.org    /     http://www.ahbl.org
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