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Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:49:17 -0500 (CDT)
On 9/16/2010 2:28 PM, sthaug () nethelp no wrote:If you want control: Don't buy the cheapest commodity product.+1
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Next we'll be arguing that akamai nodes are evil because they can have better service levels than other sites. The p2p guys are also getting special treatment, as they can grab files faster than the direct download guy. Oh, and provider met google's bandwidth requirements for peering, so their peering with google gives better service to google than yahoo/hotmail; which was unfair to the provider who didn't meet the requirements and has to go the long way around. :P Provider may also have met ll's requirements, so peering accepted there, and here come the better netflix streams. Of course, anywhere a provider has a direct peer, they'll want to prioritize that traffic over any other. True net-neutrality means no provider can have a better service than another. This totally screws with private peering and the variety of requirements, as well as special services (such as akamai nodes). Many of these cases aren't about saturation, but better connectivity between content provider and ISP. Adding money or QOS to the equation is just icing on the cake.
There are some excellent points in this, but I disagree as to the conclusions you seem to be drawing. One could look at peering as an opportunity to do some backdoor prioritization, and there's some legitimacy to that fear. My basic expectation as a customer is that you can provide me with some level of service. Since most service providers are unwilling to actually commit to a level of service, I might take the numbers attached to the service tier you sold me. So if I'm now downloading my latest FreeBSD via BitTorrent, my basic expectation is ultimately that I'll get fair treatment. What's "fair treatment" though? I think at the end of the day, it means that I've got to have reasonable access to the Internet. That means that if I can get packets in and out of your transit without fuss, that's probably good enough. If you've short-circuited things with peering that gives me faster access, that's great too. However, if your transit is 100% saturated for 20% of the day, every day, that's NOT good enough. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?, (continued)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? JC Dill (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Bill Stewart (Sep 19)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? JC Dill (Sep 19)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Randy Bush (Sep 19)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? George Bonser (Sep 19)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Nathan Eisenberg (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Jack Bates (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Jack Bates (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Joe Greco (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Leo Bicknell (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 16)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Brian Johnson (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Owen DeLong (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 17)