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Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:38:01 -0500 (CDT)
On one hand, we all recognize oversubscription as an issue.The high-level of oversub isn't the issue, it's part of the business model.
Of course the high level of oversub is an issue, because service providers are not willing to commit to providing some particular level of service. The business model has kind-of worked up to this point, with the scary boogeyman of evil illegal P2P filesharing used as justification for traffic engineering on shared pipes that are too small to handle the deluge of data that is growing daily. Consider: the practical reality is that we're seeing more and more gizmos that do more and more network things. We're going to see DVR's downloading content over the Internet, you'll see your nav system downloading map updates over the Internet, these are all "new" devices that didn't exist ~10 years ago in their current form, and they're changing consumer usage patterns. ISP's developed a "business model" that allowed profitability in an environment where each access line had marginal usage associated with it. The environment continues to evolve. There is no reason to expect that the "business model" will remain useful or that any component of it, such as massive oversubscription, must necessarily be correct and remain viable in its current form, just because it worked a decade ago. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Current thread:
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?, (continued)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Bill Stewart (Sep 17)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Steven Bellovin (Sep 19)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? William Allen Simpson (Sep 14)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? George Bonser (Sep 15)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? gordon b slater (Sep 15)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic? Chris Boyd (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Tony Varriale (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Tony Varriale (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Michael Painter (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, JC Dill (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Justin Horstman (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 20)