Re: Ping - APAC Region

[Franck Martin <fmartin () linkedin com>]

Also remember, you would be serving Australia only from Australia. if I'm
not mistaken, the Australia backbone is more or less volume based
cahrged...

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On 4/3/11 9:40 , "Matthew Petach" <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Palmer <mpalmer () hezmatt org>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 06:33:07PM +0100, Robert Lusby wrote:
> > > Looking at hosting some servers in Hong Kong, to serve the APAC
> > > region. Our
> > > client is worried that this may slow things down in their Australia
> > > region,
> > > and are wondering whether hosting the servers in an Australian
> > > data-centre
> > > would be a better option.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any statistics on this?
> >
> > No formal statistics, just a lot of experience.  You may be unsurprised
> > to
> > learn that serving into Australia from outside Australia is slower than
> > serving from within Australia.  That being said, there's a fair bit less
> > distance for the light to travel from Hong Kong or anywhere in the
> > region
> > than from the US.
>
> Given that the bulk of the population density in Australia is on the
> eastern coast near Sydney, and the *only* fiber path going anywhere
> near Asia from Sydney does so via Guam, the light path traveled from
> Sydney to Guam to La Union (PH)  to Hong Kong isn't appreciably
> shorter than the light path from Sydney to Hawaii to the US--which is
> covered by roughly 6x as many fiber runs as the Guam pathway, and
> is thus somewhat cheaper to get onto--you might as well host on the
> west coast of the US as in Hong Kong.  (and *that* was a horrific
> run-on sentence!)
>
> If I look at average data for the past five years between Sydney and
> Hong Kong, San Jose, Singapore, and Los Angeles, on average it's
> better to serve Sydney from Los Angeles than Hong Kong or Singapore:
>
> mpetach@netops:/home/mrtg/public_html/performance> ~/tmp/avgperf.pl AUE
> HKI
> total daily data files read: 1559
> AUE to HKI latency (min/avg/max): 134.216/173.273/1052.158
> mpetach@netops:/home/mrtg/public_html/performance> ~/tmp/avgperf.pl AUE
> SJC
> total daily data files read: 1558
> AUE to SJC latency (min/avg/max): 149.829/176.674/308.637
> mpetach@netops:/home/mrtg/public_html/performance> ~/tmp/avgperf.pl AUE
> SG1
> total daily data files read: 1558
> AUE to SG1 latency (min/avg/max): 101.871/204.485/999
> mpetach@netops:/home/mrtg/public_html/performance> ~/tmp/avgperf.pl AUE
> LAX
> total daily data files read: 931
> AUE to LAX latency (min/avg/max): 157.603/166.720/999
> mpetach@netops:/home/mrtg/public_html/performance>
>
>
> > That is predicated on having good direct links, which is
> > eye-wateringly expensive if you're used to US data costs (data going
> > from
> > China to Australia via San Jose...  aaargh).  Then again, hosting within
> > Australia is similarly expensive, so splitting your presence isn't
> > going to
> > help you any from a cost PoV.
>
> It's not really a matter of eye-wateringly expensive, so much as simple
> basic existence; there's no direct Sydney to southern Asia fiber, at the
> moment; the best you can do is hop through Papua New Guinea to
> Guam, and then back across into southern Asia.  (or overshoot up to
> Japan, and  then bounce your way back down from there).
>
> Matt