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Re: quietly....
From: Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:53:59 -0500
On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
On 1/31/2011 10:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:1. Layering NAT beyond 2 deep (one provider, one subscriber) doesn't help.yep2. NAT444 will break lots of things that work in current NAT44.To be honest, ds-lite, despite being single layer still breaks most things that a NAT44 with upnp won't.3. Users subjected to this environment after experiencing the limited brokenness of NAT44 or full access to the internet will not be happy.Neither would an engineer, which is why we have real IPs at our house. :)4. Maintaining NAT444 environments will be a support headache and a costly arms race of deployments and management.Even maintaining dual stack is costly. NAT444 just makes it worse.5. IPv6 will cost a lot less than NAT444 as soon as they can get their subscribers fully deployed and is a much more desirable alternative.Yep. Once the NSPs get their stuff done and we have decent routing paths, the eyeballs will either already be done or quickly behind them, and then the content can start switching over without the fears they currently have.
Honestly, if you can't get native wholesale IP, you are buying from the wrong carriers. - Jared
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- Re: quietly.... Jay Ashworth (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Jimmy Hess (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Nicholas Suan (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Nicholas Suan (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... david raistrick (Feb 03)
- Re: quietly.... Owen DeLong (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Carlos M. Martinez (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Owen DeLong (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Mark Andrews (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Jared Mauch (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Jared Mauch (Feb 01)
- Re: quietly.... Brandon Butterworth (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Tim Franklin (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Tony Finch (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Brandon Butterworth (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Jimmy Hess (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Derek J. Balling (Feb 03)
- RE: quietly.... Jamie Bowden (Feb 03)
- Re: quietly.... Jimmy Hess (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Brandon Butterworth (Feb 03)
- Re: quietly.... Brandon Butterworth (Feb 03)