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Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems
From: Michael Loftis <mloftis () wgops com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:45:41 -0700
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote: <snip>
There are multiple purposes to /48s to residential end users. DHCP-PD allows a lot of future innovations not yet available. Imagine a house where the border router receives a /48 from the ISP and delegates /64s or /60s or whatever to other routers within the house. Each home entertainment cluster may be one group of networks with its own router. The appliance network(s) may have their own router(s). RFID tags on groceries may lead to a time when your home automation server can gather up data from your refrigerator, pantries, etc. and present the inventory on your mobile phone while you're at the grocery store. No more need to maintain a shopping list, just query the inventory from the store. These are just the things that could easily be done with the technology we already know about. Imagine what we might think of once we get more used to having prefix abundance.
<snip> Having more address space won't help most of these uses, and as for why, take a look at the proposed situation with for example home media serving/sharing systems by TiVo, Apple, etc. They all require that the units be within the same broadcast domain or that there be a configured bridge of some sort if they even allow that topology. They (actually rightfully) assume that the network topology is flat, single broadcast domain, and mroe and more use Multicast DNS (which I've seen called a bunch of different things) More to the point, your average home user can not technically fathom anything more complicated than "plug it in" -- and many begin to fail to set something up properly when its extended to something as complicated as "plug it in, push a button" or "plug it in, type some numbers into the device" Your average home user has no reason at all for anything more than a PtP to his/her gateway, and a single prefix routed to that gateway. There are most certainly a few (which includes I'm sure 99% of the NANOGers!) subscribers who can and will use more space than that, and ISPs most definitely should make /48s readily and easily available for those customers, but giving each and every customer a /48 (or really, even a pair of /64s, one for the PtP, one delegated) is almost certainly overkill. The devices won't use the extra space unless there's some automagic way of them communicating the desire to eachother, and appropriately configuring themselves, and it would have to be very widely accepted. But there's no technical gain. A typical household would probably have less than about 50, maybe 100 devices, even if we start networking appliances like toasters, hair dryers and every single radio, tv, and light switch. Just my 2 cents worth.
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- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Jima (Jan 06)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Owen DeLong (Jan 06)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Jima (Jan 06)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Owen DeLong (Jan 07)
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- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Tim Chown (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Jima (Jan 06)
- RE: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Deepak Jain (Jan 07)
- RE: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems William Herrin (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Owen DeLong (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Dobbins, Roland (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Michael Loftis (Jan 11)
- RE: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems George Bonser (Jan 11)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Jack Bates (Jan 11)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Joel Jaeggli (Jan 25)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Owen DeLong (Jan 11)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Jima (Jan 12)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Ted Fischer (Jan 12)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Owen DeLong (Jan 12)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Dobbins, Roland (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems William Herrin (Jan 07)
- Re: IPv6 - real vs theoretical problems Dobbins, Roland (Jan 07)