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RE: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward
From: "Ralph E. Whitmore, III" <ralphw () interworld net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:31 +0000
Its great to see how quick a response we are getting, they have their top people working on it??? Perhaps my 14 year old son should apply for a job as one the trainers for the so called "experts" on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bonomi [mailto:bonomi () mail r-bonomi com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:14 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Cc: nanog () nanog org r-bonomi com In-Reply-To: <1BE304A1-0DA0-4558-83AD-0E4F08F8146D () twincreeks net>
Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward From: Steve Feldman <feldman () twincreeks net> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:00:51 -0700 We're aware of the spam problem and have our top people working on it. Reports of other lingering issues from the change would be appreciated, though.
You asked for it, you got it: 1) You broke *all* the mailing-list support addresses. 'nanog-owner' ,etc. *BOUNCE* "user unknown" see mark's inbox for a smoking gun 2) You let non-members post to the list. see mark's inbox for a smoking gun 3) You broke the mailing-list *submission* address itself, for subscribers. Although you let non-member *SPAM* through. 4) You have dropped _all_ the the received lines _before_ the message gets to the list. see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages 5) You are *NOT* using 'custom 'From ' lines, meaning you cannot tell who the subscriber is when a forwarded message bounces. see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages 6) You dropped *ALL* the list-management info headers. see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages 7) You rolled changes out with _NOBODY_AROUND_ to take complaints from users who noticed problems. 8) You are mailing to "undisclosed recipients". This indicates "less than competent", *lazy*, mailing-list management practices. AND making it impossible for the recipient to determine _what_ e-mail address the message was actually sent to, *if* for instance they need to change their subscription information on a 'forwarded' (or worse, _multiply-forwarded_) subscription address. see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages 9) Others report you lost some, if not all, of the established mailing 'preferences' for subscribers. *AND* all this was on the *second* attempt, having already utterly botched the first one. Reports were being sent to Mark's email (he who posted the announcement, the 'test' and the notice saying things were 'apparently working') roughly 2-1/2 hours after the -first- problem surfaced. SIX hours later the problem was still occuring. "Asleep at the switch" would seem to apply. Considering =ALL= of the above the statement that you have your "top people" working on the matter is not in the least reasurring. One *also* has to "wonder" -- considering all the other things that were 'lost', if the existing suppression filters -- specifically those which keep 'banned' traffic off the list -- were *also* 'lost'. One _really_ has to wonder "why" things are being moved off a tested, reliable, and fully reliable platform, to an "obviously" flawed implementation. Methinks the decision-makers owe the list subscribers _some_ explanation with regard to the 'advantages' to be gained by this migration, and why it is necessary.
Current thread:
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward, (continued)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Richard Kulawiec (Jul 13)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Ben McGinnes (Jul 14)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Alex Ryu (Jul 14)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Ben McGinnes (Jul 14)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Richard Kulawiec (Jul 13)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Jay Ashworth (Jul 12)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Randy Bush (Jul 12)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Paul Ferguson (Jul 12)
- RE: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Ralph E. Whitmore, III (Jul 12)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward -Hammer- (Jul 12)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Jimmy Hess (Jul 12)
- Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward -Hammer- (Jul 13)