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Re: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right"
From: Arthur Clark <fsck100 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:47:27 -0400
I agree. I am a gun owner (Glock model 19, Remington semi-auto 12 ga., ...) and staunch supporter of 2nd Amendment rights, but this is not the place to have this discussion. To some, it will be spam messages, and to others, whose opinions should be respected, this discussion will be very irritating and offensive. This is one of many political issues upon which very smart, well informed people can disagree vehemently. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Mike Rae <Mike.Rae () sjrb ca> wrote:
Hi All : How is this an operational related discussion ? Perhaps it can be taken to more appropriate forum. thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nick Olsen [mailto:nick () flhsi com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:15 AM To: Andrew Kirch; nanog () nanog org Subject: re: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right" I've got a 4 inch Springfield XD service model in .45ACP, I actually prefer the .40 round. Its a bit better at inducing Hydrostatic shock just because of its velocity:energy ratio. The handgun just to get me to the bigger guns :D -Nick Olsen ---------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Kirch" <trelane () trelane net> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:42 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right" nothing like 40 short and wimpy! Might I interest you in a 45? :) On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always hasaloaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers" closet. I've had people call me Paranoid more then once. My stance is "Bettertohave it and not need it, Then need it and not have it." By banning guns from a community, Your only taking them out of thehands oflaw abiding citizens. Not like most criminals get guns via legalchannelsin the first place. -Nick Olsen ---------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Seagraves" <dseagrav () humancapitaldev com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right" On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:Nice try, but the human right you just made a case for is "the righttoridyourself of criminals and despots". A "fundamental right" forcitizensto havefirearms does *not* automatically follow. Yes, despots usually needtoberemoved by force. What Ghandi showed was that the force didn't havetobemilitary - there are other types of force that work well too...I believe that as a law-abiding citizen, I should have the right to beatleast as well-armed as the average criminal. If the average criminalhasaccess to firearms, then I should have that option as well. I shouldnot beforced into a disadvantage against criminals by virtue of mycompliancewith the law. Once law enforcement is effective enough to prevent the average criminal from having access to firearms, then the law-abiding population can be compelled to disarm. This stance can result in an escalation scenario in which criminals strive to remain better-armedthantheir intended victims, but the job of law enforcement is to preventthemfrom being successful. At present, the average criminal in my area does not have firearms,and soI do not own one. Gun crime is on the increase, however, so thissituationmay change.
Current thread:
- re: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right" Nick Olsen (Jun 06)
- RE: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right" Mike Rae (Jun 06)
- Re: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right" Jason Duerstock (Jun 06)
- Re: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right" Arthur Clark (Jun 06)
- RE: [SPAM-Low] Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a"human right" Mike Rae (Jun 06)