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Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future
From: George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:55:57 -0800
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
You have ignored the probability of disaggregation due to IP trading markets, especially given the wild-west nature of the APNIC transfer policy. Many of the legacy blocks will get dramatically disaggregated in the likely market which could take the DFZ well beyond 500k routes. It will be very interesting to watch. Owen On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:Hi. We had an interesting discussion the other day at work. We were speculating on how many DFZ IPv4 routes there would be at peak in the future before it starts to decline again due to less IPv4 usage. The current number is around 350k, and my personal estimation is that it would grow by at least 100k more due to the the last 5 /8s being carved up at around /22 meaning each /8 ending up with 16k routes, plus the last allocations being seen in the remaining RIR "normal allocations" would be smaller than before plus de-aggregation of space as people "sell" or "lease" subspace of their allocations. My guess therefore is a peak around 450-500k IPv4 DFZ routes and that this would happen in around 3-5 years. I wanted to record this for posterity. What is your guess, any why?
Strange, had this exact conversation with a boutique ISP owner I know earlier today... My hope is that things peak around 510k and that routers that can handle about a million routes now can handle all of IPv4Peak and IPv6 growth for their economic lifetimes. Disaggregation and leasing of space (or whatever) could easily spike that significantly, but aren't likely to further increase the rate of new announcements, merely how long we keep going with them. I predict that we can't really predict this yet; IPv6 actual adoption isn't far enough along to tell how bad that will end up being. If it's five years before it dominates things, we're screwed on IPv4 tables. People who need smallish but routeable blocks will be able to find them and pry them loose via enough funds and announce them. 5 more years of that, and current routers go "poof". Many go "poof" sooner. -- -george william herbert george.herbert () gmail com
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- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future, (continued)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Arturo Servin (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Owen DeLong (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future George Herbert (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future David Conrad (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Arturo Servin (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Randy Bush (Mar 09)
- RE: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future George Bonser (Mar 09)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future George Herbert (Mar 08)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Mikael Abrahamsson (Mar 08)
- Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future Randy Bush (Mar 08)