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Re: SP's and v4 block assignments
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:13:51 -0400
On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Elliott wrote:Looking for information on the current standard practices for charging customers for larger than default v4 assignments. Especially with the rapidly depleting v4 space, how are SP's handling these requests? Is it safe to assume customers requesting larger blocks are willing to pay a premium? How much are SP's charging and what are the thresholds? What are default allocations based on? (ie: size of the circuit, type of product, etc...) Are SP's requiring more strict justification for said assignments?"Larger than default"? There are rules about allocating IP space, it has to do with justification, not default sizes. Charging for them means you are likely a spammer or provider catering to spammers, and lying on your justification forms. Hopefully these types of providers will go away as space gets tighter and justifications are scrutinized more.You've not been an ISP for too long. Charging for IP space (even justified, not being used for spamming) is pretty common. I don't get involved in sales very often, so I don't know what we charge for them, but I know we do. I don't believe our rates for IPs have changed [yet] in anticipation of IPv4 runout. Our standard IPv4 assignment for dedi/colo single servers has been /28. For cloud, it's /32. Anything more adds to the MRC. I can see the former shrinking soon to /29 or /30 unless the customer demands more.
Sorry, hasty note. Whenever someone says "how much can I charge for giving a customer more space than they need", I think "spammer". Maybe that's wrong, maybe not, but that's the bell that rang in my head. And I do hope that spammers will have their space reclaimed, because it is _not_ a justified use of space to put a /16 on a single mail server to avoid blacklists. As for your first sentence, it is true, I Am Not An Isp. :) However, I do get space from providers, and it is not at all normal for the provider to ask us for money. But then, maybe we are special. -- TTFN, patrick
Current thread:
- SP's and v4 block assignments Andrew Elliott (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Andrew Elliott (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Owen DeLong (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Jon Lewis (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Leo Bicknell (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Andrew Elliott (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Owen DeLong (Mar 15)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Jeroen van Aart (Mar 18)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Owen DeLong (Mar 18)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments TR Shaw (Mar 18)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Owen DeLong (Mar 19)
- RE: SP's and v4 block assignments Nathan Eisenberg (Mar 19)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Jeff Wheeler (Mar 19)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Owen DeLong (Mar 20)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Jeff Wheeler (Mar 20)
- Re: SP's and v4 block assignments Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 15)