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Re: Water Utility SCADA 'Attack': The, um, washout


From: Jerry Dixon <jerry () jdixon com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:41:37 -0500

There is already a law on the books called Protected Critical Infrastructure Information (PCII).  It has stiff 
penalties for leaking the information.  The reporting critical infrastructure company has to request the information or 
report be protected under PCII.  In most cases the companies also use their own NDA as well for added recourse if the 
info gets leaked.  Also the fusion center or DHS could of offered this option up since most companies do not know this 
option/law is on the books.   For a State Fusion center to leverage this law they have to get a delegation from DHS or 
at a minimum bring the executive agent in to declare the info PCII since it's a federal law.  

The PCII designator works and has been used in past incidents.  Sensitive but unclassified does not work and has widely 
varying meanings from agency to agency.  If it's that sensitive use PCII or classify as SECRET.  

Regarding this incident, I was skeptical from the get go.  The fog of war around any incident is usually pretty thick 
at the initial stage.  This has been shown even in national level cyber exercises time and time again.  
FBI/USSS/US-CERT are routinely engaged and investigating cyber incidents and nothing new here.  People acted as if that 
was outside the norm when it was not.  

Jerry
Jerry () jdixon com


On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:

+1

This isn't the pentagon papers. 

Those found leaking should face the legal consequences for sbu information leakage. 

One can't have every email/memo leaked as it makes it unfeasible to perform ones job. 

Jared Mauch

On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:51 AM, "andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace () rocketmail com> wrote:

My comment about a certain person leaking public-private sector correspondence to the media still applies then.

https://plus.google.com/114359738470992181937/posts/DSnJfKqrJK1


Andrew



________________________________
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
To: NANOG <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:14 AM
Subject: Water Utility SCADA 'Attack': The, um, washout

Not an attack: an already failing pump, and an employee of a contractor to the
utility who was ... wait for it ...

traveling in Russia on personal business.

WaPo via Lauren @ Privacy:  http://j.mp/rrvMXR

Cheers,
-- jra
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