Re: SORBS?!

[George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>]

This seems like a very 1999 anti-spam attitude.

I have been doing anti-spam a long long time - literally since before Canter and Siegel (who I had as customers...) and 
before jj () cup portal com.  

It's not 1999 anymore. Patrick is not the enemy. Your attitude is worrying. The "I am not responsible for who uses the 
blacklist or what that means" isn't good enough anymore.


George William Herbert
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On Apr 6, 2012, at 8:37, Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com> wrote:

> On 4/6/12 9:02 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> > No, they don't.  Many DNSBLs use self-service tools.  Someone has to
> > write the tool, but the rest is automated.  Total cost is power&
> > space, which is frequently donated (I have personally donated some
> > myself to DNSBLs I thought were well run).
>
>
> Proxy removals and automated additions are self service removals.  I don't trust automated removal for stuff that we 
> add by hand.  Too many variables, too much in the way of games...
>
> If I were to let the people in spam-sources request removal and handle removal entirely on their own without one of 
> us reviewing it by hand, there'd be no entries left in my database.
>
> > Besides, anyone who knowingly causes harm to a third party and claims
> > "it is a cost of doing business" or "mostly people like it" or "our
> > $FOO is targeted and almost always correct, you must be an outlier
> > and that's why it costs you" sound -exactly- like spammers to me.
>
>
> I was more pointing out to people that you expect someone else, who you've got no contractual obligation with, or 
> relationship with, to make time and effort to handle a request you made.
>
> All I hear these days from people is that I have no right to tell them who they can have as customers, or how to run 
> their business.
>
> Well, the reverse applies as well.  I take great offense to people telling me how to run my own service, that I 
> provide free at no charge with no obligations.
>
> When a provider actually works with me to resolve an issue, I bend over backwards to help them.  Unfortunately, those 
> kinds of providers are few and far in between.
>
> > Spammer who are up-front about it I can deal with.  Don't agree with
> > or even like them, but at least we understand each other.  Hypocrisy
> > is a different story.
>
>
> Unfortunately, the apathy of providers, backbones, and network operators in general have created an environment that 
> the almighty buck rules everything.
>
> Yeah, I've had offers for financial support of the AHBL.  Turned them down every time, even though it would give me a 
> chance to hire actual people to run it.    But, then, I'd have someone hanging over my shoulder, pulling strings and 
> interfering with my project.  My independence goes out the window, and I can't truly say I have no financial interest 
> in the listings.
>
>
> So, forgive me if my independence as a non-commercial DNSbl makes me somewhat jaded towards people who expect me to 
> prioritize their demands over what pays the bills.
>
> -- 
> Brielle Bruns
> The Summit Open Source Development Group
> http://www.sosdg.org    /     http://www.ahbl.org