nanog mailing list archives
Re: Fair Use Policy
From: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin () seattlefenix net>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:56 -0700
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying "Google can afford to start almost any project they want" we should say "Google doesn't suffer the temptation of wringing every last penny out of their aging infrastructure to ensure maximum profits from minimal investments". I don't want to turn this into a long-drawn debate, so I'll simply say that I take Google at their word when they say this is profitable from Day 1 and I surely take their product offering at its word. I'm not sure who proposed we require anything, but I suppose we can let the market decide what ISPs are "required" to do. I can say that I don't know anyone who wouldn't drop any existing residential service for what Google is selling. Perhaps they will succumb to some unforeseen boogeyman as you allude to, but to be honest that sounds a whole lot like the wishful thinking of an industry that has been deftly out-manueverd at its own game and now finds itself dramatically behind the curve. Frankly, if I were in the ISP business I would be shitting my pants. On Aug 22, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger <benjamin () seattlefenix net> wrote:Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of bandwidth, with their Youtube, Google Search et al. As to whether it will be profitable, well, obviously, that is their claim. It's yet to be demonstrated. I gotta reject the idea that broadband providers should be required to follow in Google's footsteps though. For now, Google fiber is another risky experiment, that could have a great payout if successful, or could be shuttered within a year or so, or fees/rate incs tacked on, when they figure out just what a mess they have gotten into.http://fiber.google.com/ http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-means-for-u-s-broadband/-- -JH
Current thread:
- Re: Fair Use Policy, (continued)
- Re: Fair Use Policy valdis . kletnieks (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Cameron Byrne (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Owen DeLong (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Cameron Byrne (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Owen DeLong (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Sean Harlow (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Jimmy Hess (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Benjamin Krueger (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Jimmy Hess (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Joe Greco (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Benjamin Krueger (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Owen DeLong (Aug 22)
- RE: Fair Use Policy Frank Bulk (Aug 23)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Owen DeLong (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy William Herrin (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Sean Harlow (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Mark Andrews (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Shahab Vahabzadeh (Aug 22)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Eugeniu Patrascu (Aug 23)
- Re: Fair Use Policy Dan White (Aug 23)