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Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting
From: Daniel Suchy <danny () danysek cz>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:45:19 +0200
On 06/02/2012 12:43 PM, Joe Provo wrote:
Last post on this topic for me. You seem to wish to argue against the lessons of history and the reality of running a network on the global Internet.
Based on observations from routeviews / RIPE RIS / other public sources, overwriting BGP origin isn't a common practice. I did some analysis before I opened this topic.
From tier-1 networks, only Level3 seems to do this, from other major
networks only HE. Based on network listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network, there're 2 of 22 major (and only 11 tier-1) worldwide networks performing origin overwritting. That's really not a representation of common and widely used practice. I'm not arguing with common practice on the internet. Majority doesn't touch origin attribute... (and yes, basically I don't care about pure tier-2/3 networks, their impact isn't peremptory in terms of their global impact)
The two issues are orthogonal. Deaggregating sources have been cost-shifting [in a highly visible and easily examined and often trivially-filtered] manner for ages.
In global table, there's 41% overhead, in terms of prefixes announced. I don't think it's trivial to filter this overhead. If you're correct (I don't think so), why there's this huge ammount of unfiltered deaggregated prefixes in global table? Because it's easier to buy new hardware.
A midspan network deaggregating someone else's prefixes is broken and gets called out, generally by the originator if they have a clue.
This is bad at all - but sometimes also happens with huge impact and this is historically documented on some cases like Pakistan Telecom/Youtube. And this happened, even you said that filtering is trivial... - Daniel
Current thread:
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Saku Ytti (Jun 01)
- Accuracy of RFCs (was: Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting) John Curran (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Joe Provo (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Richard A Steenbergen (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 02)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Joe Provo (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 02)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Joe Provo (Jun 02)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 02)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Daniel Suchy (Jun 01)
- Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting Saku Ytti (Jun 01)