Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth

[Ameen Pishdadi <apishdadi () gmail com>]

Has nothing to do with whether or not they deal with all the major carriers , they are a budget provider , always have 
, always will be. Aside from that what matters the most is eye ball user connectivity and level3 , AT&T, Verizon 
significantly have more eye balls connected directly to there network then cogent , we have cogent and level3 and 5 
other providers on our Chicago network , with out any traffic engineering almost every thing will come in or go out 
level3, we use traffic optimizing equipment to automate our commit levels and also do performance based routing 
adjustments , I literally have to put a gun to its head to get a descent amount of traffic out to cogent , you may say 
it's a matter of opinion but statistics don't lie, even Telia out performs cogent according to stats , not just cause 
they have a massive eye ball network in Europe.

Ask yourself , who are the majority customers of cogent? Not end user ISPs , hosting companies aka content providers, 
and when there selling bandwidth cheaper then it costs to peer then there going to keep there costs to the minimum ... 
Cheaper is cheaper , the saying is true , you get what you pay for. 

A Kia and Ferrari can both get me from point a to point b, but the Ferrari is capable of getting me there way quicker, 
and yes I'm going to pay a premium for it but if I'm going from NYC to San Fran I'd definitely feel safer in the 
Ferrari reliability wise and get there a hell of a lot quicker... 


But like I said and the other 10 replies nothing wrong with cogent in a nice blend of 3 or more other providers ...


Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi


On May 14, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal () snappydsl net> wrote:

> I often tell folks, Cogent is the 'Heidi Fleiss' of the industry ...... pretty much everyone of the major carriers / 
> providers deal with them.. but no one wants to admit it.
>
> I don't think there is any carrier out there that could be considered 'Premium' in terms of quality of service (yeah 
> their are a lot of folks who are Premium based on what they charge)...
>
> One can only hedge one's bet for a quality connection by having multiple providers (you can mix and match) or go with 
> some one like Internap or Tinet (folks who are taking traffic across multiple providers at their POP).
>
> Of course your mileage may vary.... as long as you have alternate connectivity, it makes dealing with issues more 
> palatable, whether it is Cogent or Level3...
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 5/14/2012 10:38 PM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
> > No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s but if you throw them in a blend with level3 
> > there shouldn't be any issue and I wouldn't pay more the .75 cents a meg for a gig
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ameen Pishdadi
> >
> >
> > On May 14, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Jason Baugher<jason () thebaughers com>  wrote:
> >
> > > The emails on the Outages list reminded me to ask this question...
> > >
> > > I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last 3 years as to their reliability and 
> > > suitability as an upstream provider. For a regional ISP looking for GigE ports in the Chicago/St. Louis area, is 
> > > Cogent a reasonable solution? Our gut feeling is that they don't stack up against a Level3 or Sprint, but they are 
> > > being very aggressive with pricing to try and get our business.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jason