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Re: The Department of Work and Pensions, UK has an entire /8
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:21:44 +1000
In message <505CDD21.4080103 () foobar org>, Nick Hilliard writes:
On 21/09/2012 19:23, Tony Hain wrote:App developers have never wanted to be aware of the network.By not sitting down and thinking about the user experience of a dual-stacked network, we have now forced them to be aware of the network and that's not a good thing because they are as clued out about networking as most network operators are about programming. If we had designed a portable and consistent happy-eyeballs API 10 years ago, it would be widely available for use now. But we didn't do that because we were thinking about the network rather than the users. So now, each dual stack developer is going to have to sit down and reimplement happy eyeballs for themselves. What a waste.
RFC 1123 told app developers that they needed to support multihomed servers. That was over 2 decades ago. HE would not have been needed if app developers had followed that advice.
As far as they are concerned it is the network managers job to get bits from the endpoint they are on to the endpoint they want to get to. Making them do contortions to figure out that they need to, and then how to, tell the network to do that adds complexity to their development and support. This is not an IPv6 issue, it is historic reality.No, it's a current reality for early venturers into ipv6. It may become a future reality in the mainstream if ipv6 takes off in a way that I can't foresee at the moment. One day in the future, maybe, it will become less of an issue if people go back to a single-stack endpoint system.
IPv6 will still be multi-homed. Dual stack is just a example of multi-homed.
And something that is easy to fix by simply deploying a 6to4 relay in each AS and announcing the correct IPv6 prefix set to make it symmetric.In theory yes. In practice no.event. Those that are doing so intentionally, while providing the long term path in parallel, can be described as weaning their customers off the legacy. Those that are doing so inadvertently, because they don't care aboutanything but their tiny part of the overall system, will lose customers to the provider offering the long term path.So long as the cost of that is less than the cost of deploying ipv6 and pushing people in that direction, it's a good business plan in the short term. Which is what most people care about. I'm with you that it's a hopeless long term business plan, but that's not the world we live in. Nick
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