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Re: is CERNET part of the Internet?
From: brunner () nic-naa net
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:52:58 -0400
On 9/27/12 9:24 AM, ku po wrote:
CERNET policy is FREE of charge for it's members, as long as the traffic is in their 'FREE networks' eg most of IP Blocks in China and some Universities in the world. However, outbound traffic to Non-free networks eg most blocks outside China will be charged.
In 2001 I'd the pleasure of working with CNNIC in the IETF technical and ICANN policy areas. At the time a bug in the UTF8 processing in the then-prevelant version of IE yeilded packet sequences originating from the edge device, on a IP block in the PRC (and elsewhere resolution was attempted of labels in the Han Script input into in the IE navigation field) to IP addresses allocated to Microsoft, to IP addresses allocated to an "IDN Solutions Vendor" in Silicon Valley, and to IP addresses allocated to Verisign Registry. As there were a non-trivial number of instances of IE with this bug operating in the PRC in 2001, the aggregate of these several packets per string per IE instance had a non-trivial overseas bandwidth cost -- settled at the time in hard currency, USD -- a scarce resource at the time. I suggest that (a) substituting whatever one has as "the definition" of "the Internet" for settlement free peering is suspect, and (b) the cost of overseas bandwidth in the PRC is still non-negligible, and (c) the cost, when amortized over cache instances, may be less than the cost of cost recovery, and offered as "free", and (d) the cost of uncacheable traffic cannot be so amortized, and (e) while USD are not a scarce resource in the PRC at present, settlements may still be made in currency other then RMB. Eric
Current thread:
- is CERNET part of the Internet? Eugen Leitl (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Stephane Bortzmeyer (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Jay Ashworth (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Jeroen Massar (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Alex Brooks (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? ku po (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Tom Paseka (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Alex Brooks (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Daniel Rohan (Sep 27)
- Are NAT'ed networks part of the Internet? bmanning (Sep 27)
- Message not available
- Re: Are NAT'ed networks part of the Internet? Tony Tauber (Sep 27)
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? Stephane Bortzmeyer (Sep 27)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: is CERNET part of the Internet? brunner (Sep 27)