Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

[ku po <cciehelps () gmail com>]

I don't need any wire tapping or decrypting.
Let's say I want to see all NANOG emails, I just need to call Larry Page's
CSO office and someone will send me a copy.
of course I can't give you any evidence, how could I?
Does it make sense?


On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, ku po <cciehelps () gmail com> wrote:

> What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all
> the data?
> They DON'T need to build expensive systems.
> They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information,
> these information are available for them and fast enough.
> So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means
> nothing!!!
> The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for
> information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you all
> the evidence when it is security related??),  which you can't deny their
> access.
>
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> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison <james () talkunafraid co uk>wrote:
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> > On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw <j () arpa com> wrote:
> > > > Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
> > > > vampired.
> > >
> > > Why wait?
> > >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0
> > >
> > > -Bill
> >
> > In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this
> > morning:
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-facebook-google
> >
> > Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and
> > infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying
> > company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else.
> >
> > They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy
> > name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant.
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining
> >
> > Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where
> > this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern
> > questions by the government about their involvement and if they've
> > been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed
> > to collect it themselves).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James Harrison
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