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Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty
From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:29:34 +0000
On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
Indeed, but I have an even better example of how that's already done, that is probably pertinent.
The National Electric Code is assimilated law now, I think, in every state in the US. It is promulgated by the National Fire Protection Association, which is a standards organization originally started by insurors to reduce their exposure and expenses; by professional consensus, they have become, effectively, a lawmaking body. So they're not the government, they're subject-matter experts, technically competent to have opinions, and their opinions are assimilated into controlling law.
Indeed... a perfect example of industry self-regulation supplemented by a mandatory legal framework referencing the best practice documents.
Is BCP38 *not* well enough though out even for large and medium sized carriers to adopt as contractual language, ...
You're back to discussing voluntary mechanisms in the above, but your example is a case where compliance is due to legislation at both federal and state levels.
much less for FCC or someone to impose upon them? If so, we should work on it further.
Umm... How many North American ISP's/datacenters/web hosting firms were aware of the BCP 38 development as it was on-going, and participated in some manner in its review? The IETF is a wonderful organization, but it is not exactly overflowing with representation from the service provider community. Also, given that you really need these practices picked up on a global basis, repeat the above question with "Global" rather than North American... If you actually want to see certain technical practices made mandatory for Internet service providers globally, then you need a development process for those practices which fairly robust to insure that the practices are equally germane and reasonable to many different service providers in many different parts of the world. It's actually relatively easy to get governments to require compliance with accepted technical practices for the Internet, the problem has been we've never taken the effort to produce best practices with sufficient rigor than any given government can know that it has the necessary backing (of many of the service providers in its domain) needed to actually require compliance. (With regard to the FCC, there is some question as to whether or not their mandate would allow establishing required practices for ISPs... To the extent that VoIP traffic is being carried, this is far more likely to be possible, and hence folks should be aware of various activities such as the CSRIC "Communications Security, Reliability and Interoperability Council", which develops recommendations that could effectively become requirements on Internet Service Providers in some contexts. <http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/communications-security-reliability-and-interoperability-council-iii> Noe that the problem with this sort of approach is that having dozens of countries all developing their own specific technical best practices is most likely to cumulatively interact in ways impossible to comply with... Hence, the need for clear global technical best practices, through which countries with a particular desire to "improve the state of the Internet" can channel their legislative desires...) FYI, /John
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- RE: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty, (continued)
- RE: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Adam Vitkovsky (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty William Herrin (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Leo Bicknell (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Chris Adams (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty William Herrin (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Leo Bicknell (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty William Herrin (Mar 28)
- RE: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Adam Vitkovsky (Mar 29)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty William Herrin (Mar 29)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Dobbins, Roland (Mar 28)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty John Curran (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Mark Andrews (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Paul Ferguson (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Jason Ackley (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Mark Andrews (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Dobbins, Roland (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Paul Ferguson (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Dobbins, Roland (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Arturo Servin (Mar 27)
- Re: BCP38 - Internet Death Penalty Jay Ashworth (Mar 28)