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Re: What hath god wrought?
From: "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 17:59:40 -0400
"No attempt to hide the source IP" "I mean, they were using a shared hosting plan" What makes you certain it was DHS? Genuinely curious, because this is a hell of a claim. -- Jason On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>wrote:
Would it be futile though? I mean...DHS running a DOS against an American organization is the kind of stuff that makes Constitutional lawyers salivate. I'm not trying to call you out, btw. I'm genuinely curious why the hosting company itself didn't file suit. You've got a US Government agency abusing your resources and acting in a blatantly illegal manner. That's the kind of stuff that results in letters of resignation when publicized. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Charles Wyble <charles-lists () knownelement com> wrote:Yes. I'm aware of that. It would be futile in most cases, which is ahuge problem in and of itself, as that's really the only recourse.I mean they were using a shared hosting plan. Not exactly deep pocketed. My point is that the abuse of power is blatant and they are unafraid ofany kind of retaliation. They don't need to hide.Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com> wrote:"Sue them?" Uhm...yes? That's why we have courts that we can sue federal agencies in. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Charles Wyble <charles-lists () knownelement com> wrote:No proxy needed. No need to hide. While working for a very large hosting company, I once observed DHShammering an occupy related website. No attempt to hide the source ip or anything.What are you going to do? Sue them? If they wish to take a siteoffline, they will ddos it or simply seize the domain under the national security banner."<<"tei''>>>" <oscar.vives () gmail com> wrote:On 20 May 2013 01:58, Michael Painter <tvhawaii () shaka com> wrote:http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/ddos-for-hire-service-works-with-blessing-of-fbi-operator-says/More on the same topic.http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/05/ragebooter-legit-ddos-service-or-fed-backdoor/#more-19475Maybe the FBI use this to commit crimes in USA using a foreigncompanyas proxy so nothing dirty show on the books. That way the FBI can avoid respecting USA laws. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.-- Charles Wyble charles () knownelement com / 818 280 7059 CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0-- Charles Wyble charles () knownelement com / 818 280 7059 CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Current thread:
- What hath god wrought? Michael Painter (May 19)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Joshua Goldbard (May 19)
- Re: What hath god wrought? <<"tei''>>> (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Charles Wyble (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Mike Hale (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Charles Wyble (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Mike Hale (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Jason L. Sparks (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Charles Wyble (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Jay Farrell (May 20)
- Re: What hath god wrought? David Conrad (May 21)
- Re: What hath god wrought? jim deleskie (May 21)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Phil Fagan (May 21)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Ryan Gard (May 24)
- Re: What hath god wrought? Charles Wyble (May 20)