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Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back
From: Sam Moats <sam () circlenet us>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:52:16 -0400
The problem being is when you do have a provider that appears to be secure and out of reach, think lavabit, that provider will not survive for long.
The CALEA requirements, and Patriot Act provisions will force them into compliance. There only options are to: Disobey the law, unacceptable in my opinionClose down services, noble but I need to eat and you probably want to keep getting email
Compromise your principles and obey the law, the path often choosen. Sam Moats On 2013-09-06 13:20, Nicolai wrote:
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:27:32PM +0000, Naslund, Steve wrote:If everyone cancelled their gmail accounts, stopped using Google search, and stopped paying for Google placement and ads, their stock would go tozero nearly overnight. Again, no one seems to care about the issueenough to do this because I have seen no appreciable backlash againstthese companies.I think Joe 6mbps sitting at home reads that everything he uses has beensubverted. He doesn't know what alternatives exist, and doesn't havethe technical knowledge neccessary to find them on his own. And faced with a false choice -- stop using the Internet, or continue using it ashe knows how -- he chooses the one that retains his ability tocommunicate with family and friends and keep up on the things he caresabout. Schneier is saying we need to build better options for Joe 6mbps,competing with the PRISM-compatable services, so that privacy-respectingservices become known and commonplace. Nicolai
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- RE: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Sam Moats (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Larry Stites (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Royce Williams (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Sam Moats (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Larry Stites (Sep 06)
- RE: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Naslund, Steve (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Royce Williams (Sep 06)
- RE: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Barry Shein (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Royce Williams (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Nicolai (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Sam Moats (Sep 06)
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- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Warren Bailey (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it Joe Greco (Sep 06)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Nicolai (Sep 06)
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- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Michael Thomas (Sep 06)
- RE: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Keith Medcalf (Sep 07)
- Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Nicolai (Sep 06)
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