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Re: responding to DMARC breakage
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 10:01:47 -0400
Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net <mailto:mfidelman () meetinghouse net>> wrote:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote: On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 10:12:09 -0400, Miles Fidelman said: It occurs to me that Yahoo's deployment of DMARC p=reject, and the choice of several big mail operators to honor that, has created a situation not unlike a really routing table or nameserver, snafu --- It's more like a peering war. Time for somebody to either bake a cake, or find alternate transit providers. Aaargghhh - what a horrible, but accurate analogy. Worse probably - more like a peering war with a large broadband carrier, at the edge, where it's harder to find alternate transport. So, if we stretch the analogy to near-breaking-point, would that make Yahoo the Comcast of the email world... or the Level3? And depending on that answer, would the community think that a similar response of petitioning the government for more oversight and control would be warranted? Or would it be just as much out of line in this case as it is in the Level3-Comcast fight?
That's a big concern of mine, and one that's somewhat reflected in current discussions re. NTIA stepping away from its oversight role of ICANN/IANA. It strikes me that there are a growing number of issues that beg for some kind of institutionalized response and recourse - peering, DMARC, others - but we don't have any in place. That's the point at which people start suing each other and looking for government intervention. Sigh....
In this case:- if the tv tower 2 miles from here starts interfering with stuff, we call the FCC, and it gets fixed (particularly if it starts interfering with, for example, police radios) - various law enforcement agencies go after the bigger spam operations, and DDoS exploiters - but... Yahoo publishes a p=reject DNS record - causing, effectively, a massive DDoS - and..... what?
Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Current thread:
- responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage William Herrin (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Jim Popovitch (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Dave Crocker (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Jim Popovitch (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Matthew Petach (Apr 13)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Miles Fidelman (Apr 13)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage William Herrin (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Joly MacFie (Apr 12)
- Re: responding to DMARC breakage Jim Popovitch (Apr 12)