Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

[Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>]

Matt,

While I understand your point _and_ I agree that in most cases an ISP
should have an ASN.  Having said that,  I work with multiple operators
around the US that have exactly one somewhat economical choice for
connectivity to the rest of the Internet.  In that case having a ASN is
nice, but serves little to no practical purpose.  For clarity's sake all 6
of the ones I am thinking about specifically have more than 5k broadband
subs.

I continue to vehemently disagree with the notion that ASN = ISP since
many/most of the ASNs represent business networks that have nothing to do
with Internet access.


Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
> > wrote:
> > > Brett's concerns seem to center around his
> > > ability to be cost-competitive with the big
> > > guys in his area...which implies there *are*
> > > big guys in his area to have to compete with.
> >
> >
> > He 's running wireless links, from web and prior info as I recall.  His
> > key business seems to be outside the cable tv / DSL wire loop ranges from
> > wire centers.  The bigger services seem to have fiber into Laramie, and
> > Brett seems to have fiber to that Denver exchange pointlet .
> >
> > Why he's not getting fiber to a bigger exchange point or better transit
> is
> > unclear.
> >
> > There are bandwidth reseller / BGP / interconnect specialist ISPs out
> > there who live to fix these things, if there's anything like a viable
> > customer base...
>
> Ah--right, that was the genesis of my rant about
> "if you don't have an ASN, you don't exist".
> He'd first have to get an ASN before he could
> engage in getting a different upstream transit,
> or connect to different exchange points, etc.
>
> As much as people insisted you can be an
> ISP without an AS number, I will note that
> it's much, MUCH harder, to the point where
> the ARIN registration fees for the AS number
> would quickly be recouped by the cost savings
> of being able to shop for more competitive
> connectivity options.
>
> Matt
>
>
> > George William Herbert
> > Sent from my iPhone