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RE: Muni Fiber and Politics


From: Alex Rubenstein <alex () corp nac net>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:56:41 +0000

What timing.

I live in 07874. Out here, only 50 miles from New York City, we have a problem.

Verizon's network in this area is older than most people who are subscribed to this list. The copper is literally 
falling off the telephone poles, and in conversations with linemen, they are instructed to effectuate repairs in the 
cheapest manner possible (band-aid). In fact, in many cases, they offer to customers to replace their service with 
wireless rather than fix the wireline.

Further, 07874 happens to be a region that never got FIOS prior to 2010, and there are no plans for it to come in the 
near future. So, we can always get 1.5 meg DSL which is as reliable, well, as reliable as it can be on a 75 year old 
copper plant.

So, our alternative is cable? Well, in 07874, we have a company called Service Electric Cable, and for $109/month, you 
get cable tv, 2/.256 mb/s (yes, 256 kb/s upload) internet and phone. Up it to $173 month (!!!) and you get 35/3 mb/s 
instead. Upload speed? Yes, really, 3 mb/s. Oh, and wait, it isn't unlimited; there is a bandwidth cap that if you 
exceed, they charge $1/GB.

So, if this is the case 50 miles from the largest city in the USA, I can't imagine what is happening elsewhere in more 
remote areas.

So, yes, I am a fan for Muni Fiber; really, I am a fan for any method possible for more competition to occur in the 
local markets. Perhaps, hopefully, we are on the cusp of another round of ISPs selling broadband to the local, 
secondary and tertiary market. I am certainly considering doing it in my local community.






-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Jay Ashworth
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:21 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Muni Fiber and Politics

Over the last decade, 19 states have made it illegal for municipalities to own
fiber networks -- encouraged largely, I am told, by Verizon and other cable
companies/MSOs[1].

Verizon, of course, isn't doing any new FiOS deployments, per a 2010 press
release[2].

FCC Chair Tom Wheeler has been making noises lately that he wants the FCC to
preempt the field on this topic, making such deployments legal.

Congressional Republicans think that's a bad idea:

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/20/5913363/house-republicans-and-obamas-fcc-
are-at-war-over-city-owned-internet

[ and here's the backgrounder on the amendment:

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/blackburn-bill-would-
block-fcc-preemption/132468 ]

While I generally try to avoid bringing up topics on NANOG that are political; this
one seems to be directly in our wheelhouse, and unavoidably political.
My apologies in advance; let's all try to be grownups, shall we?

Cheers,
-- jra

[1] http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hundreds-of-cities-are-wired-with-
fiberbut-telecom-lobbying-keeps-it-unused
[2] https://secure.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Again-Confirms-FiOS-
Expansion-is-Over-118949
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